Kathleen Kennedy Damaging Star Wars....?

[Grendelsbayne]

I reckon most of the whingeing about Roddenberry is about 'Gene's Vision' so it is story related. It's like he is undeserving for how the franchise developed and how he held things back.

Nope. The people who seriously whinge about Gene's Vision are typically attacking everyone who came after him for not doing things exactly like he would.

When people who are criticizing him bring up 'Gene's Vision' the context, ime, is almost always about how his personal actions so often ran completely counter to the principles he claimed to champion in his work.

 

[Refuge]

Gosh we even had a poster here with a Gene's vision avatar. It is very commonplace to criticise him for it

 

[Refuge]

Nope. The people who seriously whinge about Gene's Vision are typically attacking everyone who came after him for not doing things exactly like he would.

When people who are criticizing him bring up 'Gene's Vision' the context, ime, is almost always about how his personal actions so often ran completely counter to the principles he claimed to champion in his work.

I think the problem is that people have criticised the likes of Roddenberry and Lucas. Criticising Kennedy is no different...

 

[Trekkin]

I think the problem is that people have criticised the likes of Roddenberry and Lucas. Criticising Kennedy is no different...

And that everyone, is a textbook moral equivalence

Starsuperion, take note.

Gosh we even had a poster here with a Gene's vision avatar. It is very commonplace to criticise him for it

Gene didn’t/doesn’t have a vision on anything post TUC, Refuge. He’s dead. The cherry on top being, that we don’t even know how much of the franchise he saw before he died.

Hence, mocking people who try to use his corpse and ‘vision’ as a morbid marionette to ventriloquist out ‘the violence in DISC is bad!’

 

[Refuge]

It's the topic. Funny that

 

[Refuge]

I agree with everything you said.

I don't hate the movie, it's just that I am disappointed with the movie.

Hate is a strong word. There were high hopes for TLJ and it was disappointing.

 

[Trekkin]

It's the topic. Funny that

It’s not. It’s a diversion that I’m humouring.

At least until I’m bored, you actually address the questions you were asked, or a mod yells at us.

 

[Refuge]

What?? The topic is about Kathleen Kennedy damaging Star Wars - agree or disagree.

 

[Trekkin]

What?? The topic is about Kathleen Kennedy damaging Star Wars - agree or disagree.

1. You were rsponding to comments that were about the shiftiness harassment, not the OP. Assuming you haven’t deleted them in a particularly cowardly fashion, you were even quoting said comments.

2. The OP was talking about ‘Kathleen Kennedy is damaging Star Wars.’

If you are participating in good faith and think you have a decent argument, please explain to the class how ‘everyone is mean to Gene Roddenberry’ relates to the OP.

3. ‘Answering’ questions with a questions is another example of bad form in discussion. Because it’s also a diversionary tactic, that stumps actual progression.

 

[Refuge]

Class?

I was just responding to the flow of the thread keep up

You might want to read back if you want to read my views.

 

[Trekkin]

I was just responding to the flow of the thread keep up

By apparently directly responding to the OP on page 34?

You might want to read back if you want to read my views.

Answering questions not yet asked is a neat trick.

I hear that can indicate you’re Jedi material.

 

[Refuge]

Oh gosh I've posted a few posts in this thread Treat yourself and go through them. Basically I don't think Kathleen has damaged Star Wars. Actually didn't know much about her. Like Gremlins. Liked Force Awakens. Didn't like Luke's demise in Last Jedi. Don't think Kathleen has copped it worse than other producers or writers.

That's it in a nutshell.

 

[Refuge]

PS Hela? Thanks for hanging on my every word. I'm sort of flattered.

 

[Trekkin]

PS Hela? Thanks for hanging on my every word. I'm sort of flattered.

*sighs* They’re called notifications Refuge. It’s that red thing in the corner.

And heads up everyone! I’ve been loitering around the board for the last hour or so. It’s a super shameful secret. Hence hiding my ‘online status’ in a bank vault where no one can find it, and none of you can see I’ve been signed up here for years on end.

Oh, and P.S. What happened to ‘I’m just going with the flow?’

Don't think Kathleen has copped it worse than other producers or writers.

Yes, I read all that.

Are you going to answer the questions brought up about the ‘views’ summed up by that quoted part, or just keep recapping?

 

[cooleddie74]

TLJ isn't close to being moviemaking greatness (it's not even in the Top 4 Star Wars films since and including 2005) but it's not an objectively bad movie.

Rey must have a very high midichlorian count. There's no way you can't reconcile TLJ and TFA with the rules of the Force established in the Prequel Trilogy. They still work and Rey doesn't break canon in any real way that screws up in-universe continuity.

 

[Uncle_Lou]

White male fluff without too many vaginas.

*NO/too many

Fixed!

"Incels", LOL, I somehow forgot about those demented creatures. Say, rather than damage and torture needless beautiful (innocent) animals in the name of 'medical' & cosmetic testing, how about tapping into the incel/tiki torcher/breitbart demographic? I mean, sure, they barely register as 'human' in most cases, but I'd sure sleep better at night knowing that my last dose of Tylenol was tested on a Richard Spencer as opposed to an imprisoned animal.

 

[Jedi_Master]

There is formula and I do think agenda, just that some people approve and others rail against it. I don't think Kennedy has damaged the franchise she's just ticked the boxes.

What "agenda" are you referring to?

 

[Uncle_Lou]

What "agenda" are you referring to?

Oh, you KNOW full well which "agenda" -- these recent SW (or should I say SJW films?!) films are trying to make things like racial/sexual diversity, humanitarian values, matriarchal notions, and societal tolerance appear NORMAL -- how DISGUSTING!! Wake UP, snowflakes!! I want muh MALE, CAUCASIAN SW, dammit!!
(*wipes spittle off computer screen, goes back to browsing 'Info Wars' and lamenting my virginity*)

 

[suarezguy]

People have broken into his backyard!

And yeah somone splurging about how he ‘ruined Star Wars’ and “raped my childhood’ once a month, for a decade straight, is pretty much nothing but harassment. Because it sure as hell ain’t a critique.

Also, an aggrieved client can ‘passionately’ criticise the job I’m doing. They can even leave a negative review on google or whatever. They’re still gonna get the cops called on ‘em if they tie that review to a brick, and throw it through my window. Sometimes, your motives just don’t matter compared to your actions.

Yeah the first and last actions are harassment. Writing that someone ruined a film series isn't, especially when its while they're planning to make another sequel and especially when before that post you claimed that bashing a film for even just a few months (before it's even on home video?) was harassment.

ETA:

Based on what exactly?

If you honestly can look at his behaviour, his interviews and his decisions since the prequels and not see someone who at least partially just gave up and retreated behind the scenes I don't know what to tell you.

In 2005, both with and after the release of RotS, he seemed quite proud of the prequels and the choices he had made in them, that he had been true to and conveyed his vision, while also saying that he wouldn't make more SW, the story had been told and so the series was over.

 

[suarezguy]

Depends.

If the conversation is about sexual harassment on Star Trek’s set? Then it makes sense to talk about those dudes personally.

There's also a lot of unrelenting slamming of Roddenberry for making money for his unused, unserious theme song lyrics and inserting and then selling prop medals (yeah, pretty excessively greedy especially given how much he preached against greed but not really making him a terrible person) and having the gall to put his name above the original writer's name on scripts after he rewrote them (IMO pretty ).