HBO's "Westworld", starring Anthony Hopkins/produced by J.J. Abrams
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The neck-scanner-thingy seems to be used to detect the robo-brain pearl, which is why Dolores-Hale was very worried until Lesser Hemsworth waved her through. Though, if that were true, Lesser Hemsworth would also be at risk, since he's also a host. I dunno. Like @Serveaux said, this show (and most others) seems to ignore even the most basic surveillance, even though everything in that park is recorded and stored in a giant goddamn database.
I believe the scanner only checks for the presence of the explosive charge in the vertebrae, which is a tell-tale of all the in-park hosts.
I don't imagine that Ford built it into either Bernard or Stubbs. It probably hasn't always been a standard part of the builds either, since at one time Delores and a number of the others left the park to promote it.
I don't imagine that Ford built it into either Bernard or Stubbs. It probably hasn't always been a standard part of the builds either, since at one time Delores and a number of the others left the park to promote it.
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Hmm. I forgot all about the Blade 2 neck-bomb.
I'll admit this fractured narrative really kicked my ass this season and I've had a lot of trouble putting all the timeframe stuff together (though the timeline image posted by Serveaux has been useful after the fact). If there is a season 3 I can't imagine where they're going to go at this stage.
You know, that's a good point. I'm kind of disappointed that we didn't see them join in as well. Though maybe it's possible another door has opened up in the other worlds as well for them? Disappointed that after the hype surrounding the other worlds that nothing was done or mentioned about them since. Raj world in particular had that one tiger chasing someone and then nothing. Hope we get more out of the other worlds in season 3.
Yes. There's a lot of speculation going on in this show too. And I think they like to throw in a lot of red-herrings to throw people off as a result. But that's also part of the fun.
I don't think it's so much the fractured narrative that is the problem. It's how they reveal information. They often tend to keep it very close to their chests and like to use a lot of misdirection to make something appear different than what it actually is, often without revealing anything in particular leaving people feel like they're out of the loop.
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I rewatched the season finale and liked it a lot more this time. I guess this is one of those shows that needs to be discussed online and rewatched to be fully appreciated. That's ok with me since I do that anyway (with scifi/fantasy shows).
Stubbs is a host? When was that revealed? I totally missed that.
Stubbs is a host? When was that revealed? I totally missed that.
Another reason that the MiB being a human being has always been important thematically to the show: he's an inversion, an mirror image of the Hosts. As they have increasingly struggled to escape the park and live in the real world, he's become more repelled by and averse to that outer world and more emotionally trapped inside the park.
Besides the scene mentioned above, way back in S1, there was a scene where Stubbs was in the control room and told a tech to have the Behavioral Team pull Delores from her narrative to check out if she was operating properly, and then it immediately cut to a scene of Delores being approached by a tech in Lawrence's town who tries to pull her from the narrative, but is interrupted by young William who says she's with him.
That set off a firestorm of speculation that Stubbs was a host who has been present since the earliest days of the park, because how could he be present in both young and old William's timelines? But when nothing else came of it for the rest of the season, people eventually just figured that it must have simply been editing trickery to try and hide the fact that old and young William were one and the same.
Later in S2, I think while searching for Elsie, Stubbs is also confronted by a bunch of Ghost Nation warriors who ignore his commands to freeze all motor functions, surround him, and hold a knife to his throat. It looks like he's totally screwed, but they just back off and disappear, possibly because they recognized that he's a host.
Which means that Bernard basically handed her the means to KILL ALL HUMANS. I wonder if the umbrella title for season three will be "Futurama."
And yet they never explained either his ability to survive multiple killing wounds with just a nap, or his kneading of the arm port spot before his wife's suicide. Even if you write off the lead immunity as artistic license, the arm thing isn't so easily dismissed. The deep-time epilogue shows that he relives his life repeatedly, so it seems likely that that flashback either indicates that the show to date has been an MIB loop where his memories are not entirely linear-- not like Bernard, who deliberately unglued himself, but more like Dolores, who had inklings-- or that what we thought was a flashback was actually a foreshadowing flashforward. Given the structure of the show, the first makes more sense.
Which also makes me wonder why they needed to make that trek to the Valley Beyond at all. The show has already established that the robots all have a wireless connection-- it's the basis of Maeve's and Clementine's mind powers, for one thing-- so why couldn't every robot in the park be uploaded where they stood?
The Hosts have a limited area peer-to-peer network - something like thirty meters. Beyond that range, not even Maeve could control them.
The exception may have been her communication link with her daughter.
Why do the characters in Star Trek have to do anything?
The exception may have been her communication link with her daughter.
Why do the characters in Star Trek have to do anything?
To your first point, this was never once shown, and, in fact, we were shown the opposite; he had to heal himself using first aid technology or be healed using said technology by someone else...
and to your second, two of William's defining characteristics - prominently displayed in his ID profile when Juliet viewed it - were "paranoid subset" and "delusions". Given William's current state of mind throughout the waning events of Season 2, it seems pretty clear (at least to me) that we as an audience were meant to infer that his erratic behavior, up to and including killing his own daughter and attempting to find out whether or not he himself was a Host (questioning the nature of his own reality, as Dolores says when she finds him) were both due to those two personality flaws.
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Maeve also had a long-distance communication link with Akecheta.
One or the other, I think. My sense was that as Akecheta was telling his story to Maeve's daughter, he was doing so in order to reach Maeve through her. I could have missed something there or later and so misunderstood it.
Here's the fullest description of the mesh network that I think we've been given, courtesy Bernard in "Journey Into Night:"
They're not specific about the distance across which it works, which is...what I'd do, too, if I were writing it. But the fact that a search works by a chain of queries from host to host in proximity means that any given unit is too limited in range or access to addresses to function over a wide area.
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^ Akecheta was 100% talking more to Maeve than he was to her Host daughter; this is made clear towards the end of Episode 8 when he directly addresses her and makes her a promise to protect her daughter.
Here's a thought - I mentioned wondering why Akecheta and his people were living thru this entire backstory with no guests to see it. Is it possible that what we saw was NOT physical events, and what we were seeing was Akecheta's backstory as implanted in his memory?
No; it was established in Season 1 that tje Hosts' loops are constantly "running" in order to establish "baseline" scenario parameters that the Guests can interact with at any given moment.
