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'The City on the Edge of Forever'....51 years ago today

No one ever said in this thread that COTEOF was the first usage of "hell" on TV, as a curse or otherwise. Indeed the usage of the phrase "get the hell outta" in that Route 66 episode (and clip same) was originally used to debunk that old claim back in 2011 (with wording by the original poster that was remarkably similar to that used one page back in this thread:)).

https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/the...merican-television.139968/page-8#post-5134430
https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/the...merican-television.139968/page-9#post-5136644
 
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Bob Justman's thoughts are often hilarious, but it also goes a long way to show the kinds of budgetary constraints that they were facing.

Oh absolutely. I'd read a whole book of Justman's memos. The man was naturally gifted comedically and I feel like the few that've been published in "The Making Of..." and "Inside Star Trek" are just scratching the surface of his gems :D
 
What if Edith herself wasn't the linchpin, it was her eventual friendship with McCoy that would clinch it?

Trapped in the 20th century with no way to return, he would recover from his overdose and remain aghast at those who died from simple conditions. He would feel called to improve the lives of those she helped, to make a difference, buoyed on by her assistance and encouragement. He might in turn be her stalwart, silent encourager in her peace endeavours, as he knew he couldn't let himself take the spotlight for obvious reasons. He wonders if he can save all those lives if he just keeps the US's involvement in the war from happening - if he thinks it could fizzle out quite quietly without them.)

The news didn't mention his impact on her life - it's the stuff that a biography written some time after her death would have delved into, if the Nazis hadn't won in that timeline. Because it did, she too becomes a forgotten figure, lost to history and time, by the 23rd century.

I realize that IRL, this whole premise is nonsense - but what if in their universe, it worked?
 
It should stop here and now!
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I had said "Maybe more". That's definitely more. A lot more.

I knew about it because there is a Civil War reenactor that tours with a friend of his, doing shows at malls and such, and one of the points they bring up is the habit of people of color of using the term 'ax' for 'ask'. They pointed out that up through the Civil War the usage was still commonplace in the south, and as such, the slaves and their descendants have continued to use it, even up until today. There is always someone that makes a bad joke about it in the crowd, and that's what prompts the lesson they give about it.

The same reenactor is also a stand-up cartoonist, doing solo shows with an overhead projector.
 
As McCoy was not one to govern his passions, nor his compassions for that matter, it's easy to picture him stuck in a barbaric time when people are suffering and dying, saying 'to blazes with non-interference,' and end up influencing the tide of history.

Also, Futurama shows that "ax" is going to be the standard pronunciation of "ask" a thousand years from now.

Kor
 
When someone says they want to ax me, but gut reaction is to duck. If Chaucer shows up in a time machine to ax me, I'll make an exception and bow.
Also, Futurama shows that "ax" is going to be the standard pronunciation of "ask" a thousand years from now.
Three cheers for dylsexia! :)
 
I think that the character of Edith owes more than a little to James Barrie's 'A Kiss for Cinderella' :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Kiss_for_Cinderella

In the video interview, Shatner and Collins seem to be down on 'plain' girls. They seem to forget that beauty is in the eye of the beholder; it's very subjective. It's very tiresome to endlessly harp about beauty and sexuality. Those are more flash-in-the-pan. Character is enduring....which they sort of get back to by the end of the interview, but you are left wondering if they really believe it. Shatner, in particular, dwells on lust and I don't think it was just for comic effect.

As has been said, you can't stay in bed all day for the rest of your life.

Even if you could, what meaning and ultimate purpose for a life could be derived from that?
 
I think that the character of Edith owes more than a little to James Barrie's 'A Kiss for Cinderella' :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Kiss_for_Cinderella

In the video interview, Shatner and Collins seem to be down on 'plain' girls. They seem to forget that beauty is in the eye of the beholder; it's very subjective. It's very tiresome to endlessly harp about beauty and sexuality. Those are more flash-in-the-pan. Character is enduring....which they sort of get back to by the end of the interview, but you are left wondering if they really believe it. Shatner, in particular, dwells on lust and I don't think it was just for comic effect.

As has been said, you can't stay in bed all day for the rest of your life.

Even if you could, what meaning and ultimate purpose for a life could be derived from that?

What would be the meaning and purpose of life if one didn't get out of bed any more?

It is said that in his nineties Tezozomoc became so week and feeble he couldn't get out of bed any more, but he still found meaning and ultimate purpose in his life, continuing with the wars, treachery, massacres, slaughter, and everything else that had given meaning and purpose to his life before. His story should be an inspiration for all those slowing down with age.
 
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What would be the meaning and purpose of life if one didn't get out of bed any more?

It is said that in his nineties Tezozomoc became so week and feeble he couldn't get out of bed any more, but he still found meaning and ultimate purpose in his life, counting with wars, treachery, massacres, slaughter, and everything else that had given meaning and purpose to his life before. His story should be an inspiration for all those slowing down with age.

Sorry, but you missed the whole point. To never get out of bed is a euphemism for to never do anything else in life except f*ck.
 
What if Edith herself wasn't the linchpin, it was her eventual friendship with McCoy that would clinch it?

Trapped in the 20th century with no way to return, he would recover from his overdose and remain aghast at those who died from simple conditions. He would feel called to improve the lives of those she helped, to make a difference, buoyed on by her assistance and encouragement. He might in turn be her stalwart, silent encourager in her peace endeavours, as he knew he couldn't let himself take the spotlight for obvious reasons. He wonders if he can save all those lives if he just keeps the US's involvement in the war from happening - if he thinks it could fizzle out quite quietly without them.)

The news didn't mention his impact on her life - it's the stuff that a biography written some time after her death would have delved into, if the Nazis hadn't won in that timeline. Because it did, she too becomes a forgotten figure, lost to history and time, by the 23rd century.

I realize that IRL, this whole premise is nonsense - but what if in their universe, it worked?

I like this. I don't think about City enough and have in fact never thought about the fact that McCoy would still be around. In fact, come to think of it, that’s a huge problem for the whole episode, isn't it? He would realize soon enough that he wasn't trapped in a delusion and would also soon realize that his friend Edith, who saved him and whom he saved in turn from the car accident, was altering history in a negative way. Wouldn't he try to stop her?
 
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