Disney Scraps Plans For Further Star Wars Storys

[CorporalCaptain]

Aaaaaaand that matters to the Story how?

I didn't claim that part of the film mattered to the story, I was only correcting your overly broad tarring of it.

Nevertheless, in point of fact, that part of the film does pretty clearly suggest a reason as to why the Resistance was running low on materiel, namely that the First Order was paying so much better. And it advanced the theme of existing harmoniously with animals, a theme that runs through the entire film, beginning on Ahch-To with the breastfeeding and the porgs and culminating with the Resistance following the vulptices through the mine on Crait.

If I had a 200+ IQ, I might be able to articulate it better.

 

[DigificWriter]

Rey is better though, that's why she is a Mary Sue. She is a wish fulfilment that the rank and file can be the best Jedi ever.

Nope.

 

[Tuskin38]

She is a wish fulfilment that the rank and file can be the best Jedi ever.

No it isn't?

 

[Refuge]

Rey is better though, that's why she is a Mary Sue. She is a wish fulfilment that the rank and file can be the best Jedi ever.

I really do think the portrayal is different. Luke was rather awkward when we first saw him. Sure he was a farm boy of sorts who looked to the stars and had big dreams. I see his characterisation as being almost a Cinderella story rather than strictly a Mary Sue. He was born into a family that attained a mythology of destiny and rank. He also had some serious frustrations and disappointments a long the way. I don't see that as wish fulfilment at all. In fact I would argue his eventual demise was sad and a fade out. I personally would not want that for a character I was writing.

Rey on the other hand is exactly how one would write the plucky female heroine! She's a nobody from nobody parentage. She could be anyone of us nobodies. She hit the ground running. No awkward moments for her. Best scavenger, pilot and learner of the Force. Doing mind tricks and bettering Kylo with the flick of a wrist. She's the whole package in one tightly written characterisation.

 

[Spot261]

It really isn't.

It really is. That's the whole point of a subjective assessment, it's down the individual interpretation of the viewer. Try using a dictionary if that helps.

It just so happens that a lot of people happen to share mine.

 

[EnsignRicky]

More like anti-war-profiteering and anti-animal-abuse.

Oh fuck the animal abuse argument. We're expected to believe Johnson for one second gives a shit about animals? I can see why anybody who buys that load can buy into the rest of it.
In one scene he's trying to tell us that horse racing is evil and in another for the sake of a stupid gag, all the humane shit goes out the window as Chewie prepares to munch down on a Porg chop.
The survivors were clearly anthropomorphically traumatized to the point of sentient tears, but whatever. If I actually took any of it seriously, I would be more unsettled at the thought of what they were doing while he was stalking, murdering, plucking, cleaning, butchering and roasting their little friend. And what if that was seconds?

The point is: You can't have your Porg and eat it too.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

We're expected to believe Johnson for one second gives a shit about animals?

Where did I make any claim or imply anything about what Johnson thinks or feels about animals?

 

[Terok Nor]

They should still make the Obi-Wan movie. To hell with the rest of them including Episode IX and the next trilogy. But especially Boba Fett. Who wants that rubbish???

 

[starsuperion]

I didn't claim that part of the film mattered to the story, I was only correcting your overly broad tarring of it.

Fair enough...

Nevertheless, in point of fact, that part of the film does pretty clearly suggest a reason as to why the Resistance was running low on materiel, namely that the First Order was paying so much better. And it advanced the theme of existing harmoniously with animals, a theme that runs through the entire film, beginning on Ahch-To with the breastfeeding and the porgs and culminating with the Resistance following the vulptices through the mine on Crait.

That's another interesting idea isn't it. Throwing around this scene to make a point, and yet they do somehow make another interesting point that I find a bit disturbing, such as Most of all the war profiteers were White people. I find it hard to believe there were no people of color for extras, it seems pretty one sided and yet so trivial to bring up, but low and behold welcome to modern day fandom, Politics, Politics, Politics, which is something that I feel is the fault of the writers and partisan hacks on both sides of all this crap injecting their ideology into the scripts. I digress..

Back to Canto... The Fact that we have this overly white cast of war mongers speaks to a certain vision and presentation, excluding also the fact the FO are mostly White, and here we have the resistance of more minority descent, and tho this may be justifiable to some in an ideological Mindset, it does smack of something rather disturbing. I could show so many examples of people of color around the world as war profiteers recent, and in the past. I wish the new series was a bit more like the EU was, with the Resistance more aliens then humans and a mixed race cast, while the FO was mixed race, and Non-Alien, with Real Fancy AI created by them. Boy that would have been a novel idea and not stale and ideologically driven..But story driven

I would have cheered at a casting make up like that tho. A first Order series of AI androids that are smart, and brilliant, while carrying an undercurrent of an AI take over of the Galaxy, they serve the FO to make their secret war easier once the FO has crushed the Resistance. All awhile the Jedi and sith thing played out. That would have been a great series to come back to and go forward with, instead we got a TFA retread of ANH, and then the TLJ mess which made so much up front and then fell like a ton of bricks after, and then solo and that bombed.. I mean the story is all over the place, there's no cohesion, no real direction, they give Rey Everything up front, and she doesn't have to work for any of it, and expect people to "feel" for the girl because suddenly she knows she belongs?? Really?? OMFG! That is so lame, I can't believe some people actually think that's a great reason..
(Wait is it okay to criticize Rey now, legitimately without being called a sexist?? Just asking.. Shhhh..)
IMPOV this image says it all.

Here we have a classic example of a common Trope with these "New" characters. This image is wrong, because why display Rey so prominently with these classic characters? With all in Common, and yet we see Luke way in the background there. Why is that? With all those Characters was not Luke the Star of that scene, should he not be featured prominently? The answer is obvious, but to that in a moment.. Why is Rey the Star of the New Star Wars not racing the First Order characters? Where is the Kylo Ren racer? Why aren't the New Star Wars characters not featured? It's like they know the others are sellers, and here's the common Trope part, they have to feature the new Character with the classic ones so that they can validate their creation. That's kinda Ironic from a Franchise that wants to let the past die, kill it if you have to. Yet all this marketing seems to have been for not, as the Toy sales have severely dropped, and as we know...


"Merchandising, Merchandising, where the real money from the movie is made."

That's kind of an indicator of something not right, not connecting with the fans..

I Mean how the hell am I supposed accept she knows all the ways of the force INSTANTLY and also gets the Falcon too, only having just learned to fly it a day earlier? Yea.. great. The disrespect of the original cast is complete. But, We will need to reconvene this discussion once Episode 9 has released and the tally of money is counted and projected. Then we shall have our answer as to how widely these issues, I assure you are widely felt with other fans not on this forum, and what the impact will be in the end. It will be interesting to see how Episode 9 impacts the Ryan Johnson Trilogy. Personally I would love to see someone else get that gig.

If I had a 200+ IQ, I might be able to articulate it better.

Now Now, let's not be Nasty..

WAPO the inescapable Politics of Star Wars: Great article, tho some I disagree with.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ar-wars/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.2493bc1d2ff5

Honestly a sophisticated Terminator movie A.I. Revenge plot would be cool and tie back to the prequels. Throw in the Republic hiring the Mandalorians to defend them, and Rey with a bunch of Fett looking troopers, against FOs and AI's and you would truly have the star WARS everyone wants to see. Action and Fun. Not sob and preach.

 

[Awesome Possum]

Rey is better though, that's why she is a Mary Sue. She is a wish fulfilment that the rank and file can be the best Jedi ever.

We get it, you keep insisting she's a Mary Sue because she's competent. Even though you've completely missed the largest complaint about actual Mary Sues, which is that they have no flaws, which Rey does have. But this isn't a conversation worth having because it isn't a real debate.

 

[ALF]

Why can't the Obi Wan movie and the Boba Fett movie be the same thing?

The ultimate fan wank standalone film Obi Wan movie would be the Siege of Mandalore. It wouldn't work because Hayden/casual fans wouldn't have a clue what's happening. It would be rad because live action Ahsoka/Maul. I know we won't get that but if they are looking to cut corners budget-wise, they could just set the whole story around Tatooine - and a famous docking bay 94.

 

[Spot261]

Rey is better though, that's why she is a Mary Sue. She is a wish fulfilment that the rank and file can be the best Jedi ever.

No, I don't believe Rian Johnson wrote her as an idealised self insert, which is what the literary trope "Mary Sue" would mean in this case.

I really do think the portrayal is different. Luke was rather awkward when we first saw him. Sure he was a farm boy of sorts who looked to the stars and had big dreams. I see his characterisation as being almost a Cinderella story rather than strictly a Mary Sue.

Rey on the other hand is exactly how one would write the plucky female heroine! She's a nobody from nobody parentage. She could be anyone of us nobodies.

He came from humble origins so it was a Cinderella story, but she was a nobody, that's the difference?

He also had some serious frustrations and disappointments a long the way. I don't see that as wish fulfilment at all. In fact I would argue his eventual demise was sad and a fade out. I personally would not want that for a character I was writing.

Of course he did, but do real people necessarily get the ending you'd wish for them? Would a light sabre duel against Snoke have made you happy? That's what happens in Star Wars films isn't it?

He died humiliating an entire army and their dark force using leader, saving hundreds of people, inspiring a new generation of Jedi and finding redemption for his own failures in the most powerful display of force mastery we've ever seen from any character in any film.

Exactly how epic would you want his send off to be?

He was born into a family that attained a mythology of destiny and rank.

So?

How does that change anything other than imply he had a birthright and it wasn't really a Cinderella story at all?

Doing mind tricks and bettering Kylo with the flick of a wrist. She's the whole package in one tightly written characterisation.

Unlike Luke, who took decades of intense tuition as a Padawan in the Jedi temple, just like everyone else, before destroying the Death Star using the force to guide his impossible shot.

Oh, wait.....

But he did have a couple of days with Yoda before dueling one of the most powerful Sith Lords in history and soundly defeating him.

She hit the ground running. No awkward moments for her. Best scavenger, pilot and learner of the Force.

Because she had spent her life surviving in a hostile environment, scavenging, fighting, learning all the skills we see her already possessing at the start of the film. If she hadn't developed those skills as a small child she wouldn't be alive in the first place. Sound like just maybe she'd been tapping the force for a while beforehand without knowing about it possibly?

It's almost like she got into the cockpit of a fighter she'd never even seen before in her life as a farm hand and instantly outflew the crack pilots of two sides in a major battle.....because if she did that then you'd have a stronger case.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

FFS, Rey was a dreamer too. You saw her Rebel pilot doll/action figure, and she put on the Rebel helmet no doubt to visualize herself in the role. It's right there in TFA.

 

[Spot261]

FFS, Rey was a dreamer too. You saw her Rebel pilot doll/action figure, and she put on the Rebel helmet no doubt to visualize herself in the role. It's right there in TFA.

Noooo, Mary Sues don't dream, they are dreamed about!

You've got it wrong, and besides she can't have a personality because she isn't a well developed character at all!

 

[dahj]

This image is wrong, because why display Rey so prominently with these classic characters?

Why display the starring character of the current trilogy so prominently?

Haven't the faintest idea why they would do that...

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Noooo, Mary Sues don't dream, they are dreamed about!

You've got it wrong, and besides she can't have a personality because she isn't a well developed character at all!

Oh.

 

[Spot261]

Oh.

Dammit she doesn't have feelings, she just gets everything right and hurts men's feelings by being too awesome for words and a total feminist agenda on legs and stuff

 

[Refuge]

Nah Rey is a Mary Sue. Plain and simple.

 

[Spot261]

So she's Rian Johnson inserting himself into a written work?

Yes?

 

[CorporalCaptain]

I thought it was awesome how Rey used the Force to activate Luke's lightsaber and sliced Snoke almost in half while Kylo Ren was helplessly immobilized.