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HBO's "Westworld", starring Anthony Hopkins/produced by J.J. Abrams

A suicidal episode. Glad MiB survived it.

So is MiB a host or a resurrected William? His profile listed him as subject number 002. Was he the 2nd resurrected host after Delos? Or probably just the 2nd guest to be profiled.

The season finale next week looks great.
 
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tommulligan said:
In the last scene with Maeve, they said she was currently reprogramming a host. My impression was that she gave Ghost nation guy the lost love backstory as part of his reprogramming to protect her daughter. I’m guessing the lost tribe with no interaction with guests never existed.
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No, they said she was currently interfacing with a host. She was. The Ghost Nation leader (Ake?) wasn't telling the daughter the story, he was telling it to Maeve through her eyes and ears.
 
Subject Number 2 doesn't mean he's a host. It means he's the second human being for whom a profile was created as part of the immortality project.

Emily had reviewed her father's profile. If it outed him as a host she'd have known.
 
Was glad to see Ford affirm the centrality of Maeve's devotion to her daughter to her true nature.

For all the pessimism of this series, it does seem to return over and over, this season, to themes of compassion and love as the grounds and "cornerstones" of character.
 
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I will be very disappointed if William finds wires in his wrist. That would be a bit too repeating themselves.

I don't think that's where they're going though, I think they're going in the direction to say William has spent his entire life trying to prove he's not a paranoid sociopath and the park revealed he truly is. The profile is what proved it. And possibly that they used his imprint for Wyatt.

Is season 2 planned as the last season? It seems a whole lot like after the finale they won't have much of anywhere to go in another season. Not unless season 3 is the hosts going out into the human world.

What did Ford give to Maeve? Did he give her the access codes to be able to ignore 'dead' mode and move around as long as she has the working mechanical parts to do it?
 
"Wyatt" existed before William ever came to the parks. Arnold merged the Wyatt personality into Delores in order to have her lead the killing spree that ended all of the original Hosts in Escalante, including herself.

I think Ford just unlocked whatever bar remained to Maeve calling as many Hosts as she needs to kick the shit out of whoever's left of the team that secured the Mesa.

Looks like Hector and Armistice are back - we know that the retrieval team that brought Maeve in didn't kill them, because on this show like many if you don't see a body then the character's not dead - and even then, per Herbert, you can't be sure. :lol:

William hasn't spent his life trying to prove he's not bad - he's spent it indulging his "darkness" in the park. After his wife died, he came there and murdered Maeve and her daughter in order to see if there were any evil thought that he was unwilling to act on and discovered that there was not.

And...in that moment of self-revelation, rather than reflecting he turned to fixating on a solvable puzzle, "the Maze," and projecting his anger on to Ford.
 
Emh said:
And now he can't even trust his own reality, forcing him to check and see if he himself is a Host.
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Ok, yeah, just checking. I wasn't entirely sure if it meant they were trying to pull another twist on us. But with him digging into his arm was just another way of showing that his grasp on reality was unravelling. Could it be his wife was actually right?
 
I'm not sure why he's still walking upright with all those bullet holes in him. Oh yeah - Main Character Syndrome.
 
I don't know if anyone remembers the original sequel to the original Westworld: Futureworld. IIRC the underlying plot was that the park owners were creating duplicates of the famous guests that they could send back out into the real world, so that the park owners could be the power behind the throne on the world stage.

Given the developments that S2 of the new version has offered up, I wonder if that's where they are headed in the next season or two.
 
Forbin said:
I'm not sure why he's still walking upright with all those bullet holes in him. Oh yeah - Main Character Syndrome.
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His daughter bandaged his bullet holes, and also he is a tough guy. The combination of the two is more than enough to have him be at 100% within 2 episodes.
 
One imagines that at this point, William might very much want to convince himself that he's a Host: it would be the ultimate relief for him of responsibility for the awful things he's done:

"Were any of these choices ever truly mine to begin with?"
 
Was it just me, or was that last episode the most... standard so far of the series? Things are pretty much what we are being told they are... No narrative tricks.
 
crookeddy said:
Was it just me, or was that last episode the most... standard so far of the series? Things are pretty much what we are being told they are... No narrative tricks.
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I actually felt that was last week. This week still had many timelines to deal with and wasn't quite as straightforward. Last week felt pretty much felt like a self-contained story bridging some gaps.
 
I'm pretty sure that his plans don't include resurrecting anything.

There's an exchange between Ford and William in episode 2 of this season that lays out exactly what's going on. It involves the Young Robert Ford Host, Lawrence and the MiB:

"YOUNG FORD" HOST: I'll see you in the Valley Beyond, William.

WILLIAM: Fuck you, Robert.

LAWRENCE: Who the fuck is Robert? The man who built this place you're lookin' for? The place of judgment?

WILLIAM: No, Lawrence, he doesn't get that honor. I built it. And this place we're goin' is my greatest mistake.
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In episode three, at an earlier point in the chronology (but not long ago) William says to the James Delos Host:

I'm beginning to think that this whole enterprise was a mistake. People aren't meant to live forever.
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