Spoilers The Flash - Season 4

[Guy Gardener]

Except that future may have been deleted at the end of the storyline...?

The villain was triggered prematurely, by a decade, and routed.

The apocalypse that set for specific sperm to strike a specific egg at a specific time is now infinitely far from a certainty, but Jessica and Barry's general reproductive gunk are still going to smoosh together, because of primal forces, but the results will vary.

I'm years behind on my Flash.

Are Barry and Iris together?

 

[Gavin70]

It's to the insulting portrayal of scientist characters as closed-minded dogmatists incapable of encompassing anything new. The argument "Science can never comprehend magic because it's beyond human comprehension" is ignorant of how science works, because science deals with many things that are beyond human comprehension.

This is one of the things I liked about the Doctor Strange movie. When he first met the ancient one he was extremely skeptical "magic can't be real". Then she taps him on the chest and knocks him into the spirit realm and he's "oh OK, clearly I was wrong about that - teach me how to do it". As soon as he's confronted with evidence he doesn't try to maintain his disbelief.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Hey! Stop picking on my girlfriend Scully!

 

[Phoenix219]

Maybe she is a child that wouldn't exist without the apocolyptic timeline, and she's cut off her own origin by helping Barry avert the Enlightening? Maybe in the normal timeline, we'll get the tornado twins instead?

 

[Jayson1]

Maybe she is a child that wouldn't exist without the apocolyptic timeline, and she's cut off her own origin by helping Barry avert the Enlightening? Maybe in the normal timeline, we'll get the tornado twins instead?

I kind of like this. What if you have a story where you need the apocolopse to happen because that is meant to happen for a even better future after humanity rebuilds itself. A better future their daughter is suppose to make happen.

Jason

 

[Christopher]

What if you have a story where you need the apocolopse to happen because that is meant to happen for a even better future after humanity rebuilds itself.

Isn't that kind of what Krypton is already doing? And it's basically the same dynamic as "Flashpoint," that preventing a bad thing in the past makes things worse and you have to let it happen anyway, although that's on a more personal scale. Lots of time-travel stories have used that trope -- traveler goes back to fix bad thing, makes things worse, has to go back and un-fix it. "The City on the Edge of Forever" is one example, although the positive/disastrous change to history (McCoy going back and saving Edith) was accidental.

 

[Jayson1]

I haven't sen Krypton yet so I didn't know they might have did something similar. I do think it is a common device but I don't think we have ever seen a story were characters themselves have to play a role in actually making a apocolpse happen. What if team Fash literally had to be the people who become the bad guys who destroy current civilization instead of simply fixing a time travellers mistake so other real bad guys can do it. Imagine going back in time and actually having to be Hitler not because you want to but because if you don't you know because of how time travel works ever human being born after that time period will cease to exist.

Jason

 

[Christopher]

I haven't sen Krypton yet so I didn't know they might have did something similar. I do think it is a common device but I don't think we have ever seen a story were characters themselves have to play a role in actually making a apocolpse happen.

Doctor Who: "The Fires of Pompeii" is one example, although without the trope of changing it first and then changing it back. On a non-apocalyptic scale, there's Red Dwarf's Kennedy-assassination episode "Tikka to Ride."

 

[Phoenix219]

Yeah, i'm just catching up with the end of my main shows, and honestly haven't been able to start Krypton or SHIELD yet this season, and only watched the pilot of Lightning.

 

[theenglish]

Isn't that kind of what Krypton is already doing? And it's basically the same dynamic as "Flashpoint," that preventing a bad thing in the past makes things worse and you have to let it happen anyway, although that's on a more personal scale. Lots of time-travel stories have used that trope -- traveler goes back to fix bad thing, makes things worse, has to go back and un-fix it. "The City on the Edge of Forever" is one example, although the positive/disastrous change to history (McCoy going back and saving Edith) was accidental.

I haven't seen Krypton yet, but it would be a very cool parallel to have characters in the past decide to let a horrible thing happen because the future beyond would be better. Barry could actually help create his earth's Legion of Super-Heroes. And it would make for a crossover with Supergirl so we might actually see the 31st century.

 

[theenglish]

Doctor Who: "The Fires of Pompeii" is one example, although without the trope of changing it first and then changing it back. On a non-apocalyptic scale, there's Red Dwarf's Kennedy-assassination episode "Tikka to Ride."

Or Stephen King's book about that.

 

[Enterprise is Great]

Jessica Parker Kennedy Will Be a Series Regular for Season 5

 

[Marc]

Jessica Parker Kennedy Will Be a Series Regular for Season 5

So that's three promoted to regular for next season? Any demotions to recurring?

 

[Christopher]

So that's three promoted to regular for next season? Any demotions to recurring?

Well, Neil Sandilands is obviously gone, and Keiynan Lonsdale is going to be recurring at best.

 

[Marc]

Well, Neil Sandilands is obviously gone, and Keiynan Lonsdale is going to be recurring at best.

 

[dahj]

Do we know if (one of the) Wells(es) will be back next season?

 

[Christopher]

Do we know if (one of the) Wells(es) will be back next season?

It sounds like we'll be getting a new version of Wells next season.

http://comicbook.com/dc/2018/05/22/the-flash-wells-season-5-tom-cavanagh/

 

[Jayson1]

One version of Wells they could with is one who is old and from the future since time travel seems to be connected to next season.

Jason

 

[Gaith]

*reads some spoilers, having given up on the S4 when Barry got out of jail*

... LOL, wut? The whole "Enlightening" of the human race the Thinker and his wife were planning, the nefarious scheme to change everything, was just to make the rest of humanity dumber? Wow, that's... an incredibly lame hook to hang a 22-episode season on. I mean, for a 5-6 episode "pod", a la Agents of SHIELD, sure, fine. But for an entire CW season? Looks as though I was right to ditch the show when I did. Heck, I could have stopped with S2 and been just fine - it's all been a slow decline since Patty left.

 

[Christopher]

The whole "Enlightening" of the human race the Thinker and his wife were planning, the nefarious scheme to change everything, was just to make the rest of humanity dumber?

Well, the idea was to wipe all their knowledge and make them blank slates so that DeVoe could then "re-educate" them all with his own values. But that could've been put across better.