Spoilers Supergirl - Season 3
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None of those factors really apply in universe though, neither character is aware what they do or do not signify as real world cultural icons, they just act as they are written or as their circumstances dictate, depending on how you look at it.
I changed my post from the being there 'first' after trying to pinpoint who was actually older versus who appears older and who captured public attention first. It's debatable apparently.
I see this consideration of being made redundant factoring big time with the next Avengers but that is another topic
That makes more sense, but I'm doubting very much the problem you expect with Avengers will really materialise. Unlike SM, CM is not typically written as being the deus ex machina or the truly unstoppable force. She is powerful, but not to the point of seeming like a god.
Hardly. It's a big world, after all. And in superhero universes, it needs a lot of saving. The more heroes, the better.
Totally true. I was just musing on the fact that "Aha! Sexism!" might not be the only consideration affecting people's perception of their relationship as fictional characters (though I have no doubt it's a key factor for a lot of folks).
But he's the last person that would matter to. He'd probably be rather embarrassed by it.
Which is beside the point. We are talking about the perspective real world observers have on him, the cultural impact he has here. Short of breaking the fourth wall, which he isn't in the habit of, he can only act according to the whims of writers and the prevailing situation. He won't be motivated by the primacy of his publications or implied sexism on the part of the viewer unless those writers are themselves.
If those writers are genuinely giving Supergirl a fair portrayal they should no more make him a vital component of her adventures than they should do make her a vital part of his, not unless there is a genuine reason to do so.
Yes we can ask "where's Superman?" at this point, but that misses the point we never ask the same question in reverse and there's no viable in universe analogue to that perceptual bias. They are, essentially, equals and any argument one needs the other is by definition bidirectional.
Um it was a point you initiated. I just corrected it.
You would think they would want to use Superman more because even though the show is part of the same Arrowverse it's also a show in it's own world which means you don't have as many crossover stuff as you do with the other shows. Other than the epic series crossover events, the universe of "Supergirl" seems very small compared to other shows and Superman as far as we know represents the only other Superhero working on this world. Right now he represents you most easy to go to crossover, even though he doesn't even have a show his name alone creates interest. You should see Superman show up more or be mentioned in the same way you see Oliver and The Flash meet up from time to time. That or they really need to start expanding the world some. Maybe when "Black Lighting" finally admits it's part of the universe you can have some more fun between those shows by having that show be part of the "Supergirl" world as opposed to the world of the other shows. Then use Superman some more and maybe establish that other hero's are forming in the world would be nice.
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Um, not really, I'm making the point here his in universe and real world cultural impacts are quite distinct
It's not just a question of whether they want to, it's a question of whether Tyler Hoechlin is available. And maybe DC/Warner Bros. wouldn't let them use Superman this year because of the Justice League movie.
Superboy was a 1/2 hour live action tv series that ran for four seasons, between 1988 and 1992.
the titular character was recast between season one and two.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0094559/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1
John Newton was 24 when he started playing Clark Kent/Superboy.
Gerard Christopher was 30 when he started playing Clark Kent/Superboy.
Season One is pretty bad.
It brings up an interesting question: is Winn really supposed to be annoying? I get that he's the hot-shot tech genius, but I'm not getting the "wanting to punch for a long time" jerk vibe from the character.
Comic fans have asked that question for decades about a great number of superheroes, which is the reason when a truly global--or in some cases galactic threat arrives (e.g. Crisis on Infinite Earths) it is not only completely sensible that such events would demand the presence of anyone known to deal with that kind of problem, but its expected. That's what was once exciting about comic crossovers (well, in the era when publishers were not cranking out event comics every other week). Superman is not even a semi-regular on this series, so when he shows up, it should make the overall episode(s) seem special, but hard sell the fact that its so grave a situation that everyone has to be involved.
And again, the Kryptonian factor would not go unnoticed by one of the last of their kind. Whether Superman was on screen or not, even a text or call to SM was necessary.
I think that has more to do with Demos's personality than Winn's. He's always been kind of prickly. His first episode was "The Martian Chronicles," where he was the one who got all paranoid about who was a White Martian impostor and ended up drawing a gun on his colleagues, IIRC.
Four years isn't a bad run!Superboy was a 1/2 hour live action tv series that ran for four seasons, between 1988 and 1992.
the titular character was recast between season one and two.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0094559/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1
John Newton was 24 when he started playing Clark Kent/Superboy.
Gerard Christopher was 30 when he started playing Clark Kent/Superboy.
Season One is pretty bad.
When Superboy was over, the 2nd Superboy actor auditioned for Lois and Clark The New Adventures of Superman.
Gerard Christopher got Dean Cain's part for about a minute and a half, until he reminded producers that he was Superboy, and they didn't like that, because the producers wanted their new series to be seen as ground breaking, and not a sequel to a laughing stock, they'd never heard of before.
Gerard Christopher got Dean Cain's part for about a minute and a half, until he reminded producers that he was Superboy, and they didn't like that, because the producers wanted their new series to be seen as ground breaking, and not a sequel to a laughing stock, they'd never heard of before.
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It's all pretty bad. Gloriously bad. I don't know if I've ever had so much fun watching something so crummy in my life.
(And Stacy Haiduk as Lana would make sitting through anything worthwhile.)
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