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Spoilers Supergirl - Season 3

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No, not at all. America can learn from those other countries.

That's the problem in the comparison: America is far different country in its history, identity and beliefs, particularly on the idea of a right to gun possession (beyond the ping-ponged 2nd Amendment issues) and self defense. If one believes a 2012 Congressional Research Service report (from a 2009 study based on U.S. Department of Justice estimates), there were 310 million guns in the U.S. Taking into consideration lost, stolen or inoperable guns, that estimate still says much about the interest in guns (meaning year after year, manufacturers aren't producing guns for no reason), so one could say guns are not going anywhere anytime soon.

Although the General Social Survey's chart of U.S. households with guns listed the last highest point at 54% in 1977, as of 2017, that number only dropped to roughly 40%. The joined Gallup data has the last highest household ownership at 48% between 1991-94, with the 2017 numbers at 42%. If you use the GSS's data going back to 1977, that's a span of 40 years. In that time in the U.S., despite horrors such as the attempted assassination of Reagan, attempted assassination of Gabby Giffords, numerous mass shootings (terrorism, school, work-related, random targets, race-related, murder-suicides, etc.), celebrity/famous individuals murdered (e.g., John Lennon, Dorothy Stratten, Rebecca Schaeffer, Gianni Versace, et al) and other gun-related crimes (whether the firearm was legal or illegal), nearly half of the nation still has guns in the home. That is a rather large statement, and shines a light on how no amount of gun-related deaths sends gun ownership taking a dive on a genuinely notable level over four decades.

Additionally, of the six federal laws (acts) passed on guns since 1986, the most recent--2005's Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act was--as the title suggests--designed to protect gun manufacturers from being held responsible for crimes committed with their products. Many a politician promised to repeal the act, but it still stands. That too, is a large statement.

So, that goes back to the "why" of gun ownership in the U.S.--truly an American cultural/philosophical issue, and how a sweeping ban of all firearms would likely face continued resistance beyond the NRA and its elected shills like nothing seen before.

I only see Americans only moving to alternatives in great numbers if the option was on some sci-fi-esque level like the Star Trek Phaser, something not requiring darts, close contact or lethal force, but was a proven defense. That said, I don't see that kind of energy beam technology on the commercial horizon, so....
Even if it existed now, I see many still refusing to give up guns, all in the name of their oft-stated 2nd Amendment, freedom and the belief in / resentment of the government trying to disarm the repeated "law abiding citizens".
 
I don't expect that this new program will preclude all use of lethal force in the future. Drama will occur when they have to make choices. They will be trying to solve things without lethal force, but perhaps sometime in the future they will have no choice. I expect that often it will seem like they have no choice, but then nonlethal solutions will present themselves. How well it works dramatically will depend upon the particulars of the situations

To continue the in-series conversation on guns, an honest moment for the purposes of debate on procedure would have an agent try to use..."Winn Tech" on a threat--but it fail to work, or lethal force was the only option. This is not a "gotcha" in favor of traditional firearms, but a way to keep the conflicting positions going realistically, other than some overnight, miracle shift within a season (or even in next season). There rests the drama mirroring real world debates.
 
To continue the in-series conversation on guns, an honest moment for the purposes of debate on procedure would have an agent try to use..."Winn Tech" on a threat--but it fail to work, or lethal force was the only option. This is not a "gotcha" in favor of traditional firearms, but a way to keep the conflicting positions going realistically, other than some overnight, miracle shift within a season (or even in next season). There rests the drama mirroring real world debates.
Exactly.
 
That's the problem in the comparison: America is far different country in its history, identity and beliefs, particularly on the idea of a right to gun possession (beyond the ping-ponged 2nd Amendment issues) and self defense. If one believes a 2012 Congressional Research Service report (from a 2009 study based on U.S. Department of Justice estimates), there were 310 million guns in the U.S. Taking into consideration lost, stolen or inoperable guns, that estimate still says much about the interest in guns (meaning year after year, manufacturers aren't producing guns for no reason), so one could say guns are not going anywhere anytime soon.

Removing the guns currently out there would be next to impossible agreed, but the latest gallup poll I linked earlier showed very strong public support for tighter controls. Far more effective than banning the sale of guns would be restricting the ammunition. Whereas a well maintained firearm has a virtually unlimited life, ammunition is by definition a consumable product and thus stocks would gradually reduce over time, limiting the opportunity and scope of mass shootings at the very least.

The real political support for gun ownership though has always been from the gun lobby moreso than the public.

Although the General Social Survey's chart of U.S. households with guns listed the last highest point at 54% in 1977, as of 2017, that number only dropped to roughly 40%. The joined Gallup data has the last highest household ownership at 48% between 1991-94, with the 2017 numbers at 42%. If you use the GSS's data going back to 1977, that's a span of 40 years. In that time in the U.S., despite horrors such as the attempted assassination of Reagan, attempted assassination of Gabby Giffords, numerous mass shootings (terrorism, school, work-related, random targets, race-related, murder-suicides, etc.), celebrity/famous individuals murdered (e.g., John Lennon, Dorothy Stratten, Rebecca Schaeffer, Gianni Versace, et al) and other gun-related crimes (whether the firearm was legal or illegal), nearly half of the nation still has guns in the home. That is a rather large statement, and shines a light on how no amount of gun-related deaths sends gun ownership taking a dive on a genuinely notable level over four decades.

Cultures can and do change, we've never had you gun culture, but we did have an equivalent once with swords and duelling, over time attitudes changed. Bear in mind as a more current and relevant example Australia, where the gun ban has coincided with a massive change in public attitudes and behavious

So, that goes back to the "why" of gun ownership in the U.S.--truly an American cultural/philosophical issue, and how a sweeping ban of all firearms would likely face continued resistance beyond the NRA and its elected shills like nothing seen before.

Yup.
 
Not quite.

His point was to up-price bullets to 10 grand per bullet.

You could still do a drive by, but you'd be really careful about who you shot while driving by.
 
I missed the middle and came in when Supergirl was introducing her Mom to Alex.

My question is what does Lena think of the excited way in which Alura greeted Alex.

Does she think Supergirl was raised with Kara and Alex, or has she finally figured out Kara and SG are one and the same?
 
Supergirl--
"Make it Reign"


SG/Kara: In many ways, she took a back seat in this episode, but that's to be expected, with all of what's supposed to go down with her in the season finale.

Alura:
"The connection between you two is obvious" That's right, mama, encourage your kid to break up a marriage!

Selena / Dark Kryptonian Witches / Coville: "Make the world habitable..." / "Wipe out all humans..." / "Make a new Krypton". I see Selena's been talking to General Zod from Man of Steel.

...and Coville...he's such a colossal suck-ass, mouth open in a cross between fanboy and "If only I could be like you" glee. Typical of dumb villains, I got the impression that Selena's blast to Coville was anything other than lethal, leaving the door open for the zealot to come to his senses, perhaps helping Samantha before he goes bye-bye..well, I hope he goes bye-bye.

Reign / Samantha: Brave mission...but she should not only succeed, but return to Ruby, and not give Alex the easy Insta-Family she seeks. The series has invested much time into Samantha and Ruby remaining close after much adversity, that it would be rather bad plotting for Samantha to die when she's one step away from being the person she used to be.

J'onn: Eh. Sort of emotional letdown to the end his father's arc / passing on his expanded version of the Vulcan Katra.

Mon-El: How is it that Mon-El--who knows the history of this time--does not have better answers for the Witches/World Killer matter?

Winn: Conveniently quick development of his non-lethal tech on the eve of the Witches arriving at the DEO. but at least they continued last week's weapons debate by having his belt-shield not the miracle answer. Interesting that he's now thinking the non-lethal route inspired by James was not what was needed when a real, uncompromising threat kicks the door in. Speaking of weapons...

Alex: It seems having a supply of Kryptonite around...you know...makes sense when rogue Kryptonians are on the loose. Kryptonite bullets bought enough time for SG. Mon-El and Alura to make it back to earth. Lena's basic positon of the possession of Kryptonite just gained a major edge in the debate.

NOTES: Season finale tease: "Who survives?" Well, we see the Legion return, with Brainiac saying "The future needs heroes", but why do I suspect the old switcheroo happens with Mon-El not going back to his home, and someone else taking his place.

I just hope Imra does not come back to die and give Mon-El the easy out needed to hook up with SG, or James sacrifices himself to show Winn that in a critical moment where lethal force would be an option, he takes another path, but he pays the ultimate price for it, perhaps making Winn view the world through inconsolable, darker lenses.

Okay, arguably this is the "Big One" in SG series' history--all players are at the table, so to speak, so...where's Superman?

GRADE: B
 
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The idea that other superheroes being unavailable in shared universes during times of need is not new in comics or other media. Usually it’s explained away in dialogue. The Supergirl movie had a radio broadcast early on that Superman was away on a far away space mission. To easily explain his absence through the whole plot of the film. Yet this show feels no need to address it at all!

I would not be surprised if say something next week. But it will be long overdue. The characters have conversations were they act like he does not even exist...
 
The idea that other superheroes being unavailable in shared universes during times of need is not new in comics or other media. Usually it’s explained away in dialogue. The Supergirl movie had a radio broadcast early on that Superman was away on a far away space mission. To easily explain his absence through the whole plot of the film. Yet this show feels no need to address it at all!

I would not be surprised if say something next week. But it will be long overdue. The characters have conversations were they act like he does not even exist...

You're right. They'll probably mention him in passing. It's just odd not to include him in a Krypton heavy story arc. Especially when there are multiple Kryptonians needing to be taken down.
 
My question is what does Lena think of the excited way in which Alura greeted Alex.

Does she think Supergirl was raised with Kara and Alex, or has she finally figured out Kara and SG are one and the same?

As scripted, I don't think she's supposed to have noticed that exchange, since she didn't enter until just after it. As staged, she logically should've heard it, but I think that was an error in the execution. I assume she was just too preoccupied with Sam's case to notice the exchange.


"Okay. this is the "Big One" in the series' history--all players are at the table, so to speak, so where's Superman?"

This is my #1 question. There's no excuse for nobody even mentioning where he is.

Actually, this time the explanation is quite obvious. The cataclysm is happening all over the world, not just in National City. So obviously Superman will be dealing with damage control in Metropolis and wherever else he can get to while Supergirl and her team tackle the cause of the problem.

Although I do wish they'd put in a line last week or sometime about Kara contacting Clark to let him know some Kryptonians had survived. I think the show has sufficiently established that he identifies more with Earth than Krypton (which he left as an infant and never really knew) and thus wouldn't feel as motivated to leave his home and visit Argo City. But it would've been nice if they'd acknowledged that, nodded to it.

Also, they're playing fast and loose with the timeline. Selena said she'd been holding her tongue about her beliefs for 20 years, but it's been more like 40 years, what with the time Kara spent in the Phantom Zone. And of course, Alura should be in her 70s or at least late 60s by now.
 
So magic exists in the Supergirl Universe. Not only that, the Kryptonian women led by Selina are dubbed witches. That's interesting, considering Superman is vulnerable to magic. I thought the Worldkiler arc was rooted on Kryptonian mysticism and mythology (Rao), not magic per se. M'yrrn and J'onn, for instance, practice Martian mysticism (belief in H'Ronmeer) based on the powers of the mind, e.g., telepathy and other psychic abilities.
 
So magic exists in the Supergirl Universe.

We saw that back in season 1 with Silver Banshee and her family curse. Plus, we know magic exists on Earth-One (thanks to Constantine, Damien Darhk, Mallus, etc.), and presumably different Earths in the same multiverse share the same laws of nature, especially since magic itself transcends dimensions.
 
So magic exists in the Supergirl Universe. Not only that, the Kryptonian women led by Selina are dubbed witches. That's interesting, considering Superman is vulnerable to magic. I thought the Worldkiler arc was rooted on Kryptonian mysticism and mythology (Rao), not magic per se. M'yrrn and J'onn, for instance, practice Martian mysticism (belief in H'Ronmeer) based on the powers of the mind, e.g., telepathy and other psychic abilities.

I'm guessing there's individual variance on what one classes as "magic" really :shrug:
 
Again, we have the issue of a major world event, on an Earth where Superman exists, and they don't even mention him?

I don't need to SEE Superman. I just need a throwaway line where we find out that Superman is working on saving people. We have a major world event going on, involving Kryptonians. Superman's aunt is alive. Three rogue Kryptonians and a Kryptonian created threat are out there threatening to destroy the entire planet Earth.

Superman would be right in the middle of that.

Supergirl and the DEO could be stopping Selina et. al, but Superman would have to be where he can save lives. He might even be at the Earth's core stabilizing it with J'onn's dad.

It's a cop out to not even mention him.
 
You're all making me wish they never even mention Superman ever again, because all this whinging is getting ridiculous. :p

Also, they're playing fast and loose with the timeline. Selena said she'd been holding her tongue about her beliefs for 20 years, but it's been more like 40 years

Argo's been hurling through space, so that can easily be handwaved away with some relativity induced time dilation.
 
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