Kathleen Kennedy Damaging Star Wars....?

[Agony_Boothb]

Don't anybody have a heart attack but I really don't get all the disrespect for Kathleen Kennedy. Well maybe a little, but not enough to crucify the poor woman.
Then again I did say I wouldn't support someone who would continue their support of Rian Johnson.
I don't know. Lucas did hire her personally so that he could sweeten his deal with Disney. Do we even know if she's happy there? Maybe she could just go back to Spielberg where she belongs and where together they produced some of the finest movies of my childhood. That would have to be a better way to finish out one's career than having to put up with this shit every day.
Hell, even Lucas knew as much.

I agree, for the most part. I do think Kennedy hiring Rian Johnson was a big mistake on her part. He was a terrible choice for director and Kennedy should not have allowed him to have so much creative control. In fact, Kennedy should have had a creative team in place to outline the direction of the trilogy from the beginning. Despite these outliers, I think Kathleen Kennedy has done a great job for the most part and definitely not deserving of the hate she is getting.

 

[EnsignRicky]

I agree, for the most part. I do think Kennedy hiring Rian Johnson was a big mistake on her part. He was a terrible choice for director and Kennedy should not have allowed him to have so much creative control. In fact, Kennedy should have had a creative team in place to outline the direction of the trilogy from the beginning. Despite these outliers, I think Kathleen Kennedy has done a great job for the most part and definitely not deserving of the hate she is getting.

I wouldn't blame her for hiring Johnson He fooled a lot of people, myself included by doing some pretty outstanding work on Breaking Bad. But I don't think he actually wrote any of that.
No, my problem is that she is ready willing and able to give this guy not one but three more opportunities to do this again. And I for one would really prefer that he not go far, far away again; Just away.

 

[Awesome Possum]

Plenty of outlets and channels disagree with that, from Jeremy Jahns to Collider. At this point, Lucasfilm's relationship with the fans is now a matter of debate and division. That's not where it should be, and I'm confident Disney will recognize this and make the right call soon.

I don't give a shit about the opinion of internet randos and obscure blogs. But if you put yourself in an echo chamber then you're going to believe crazy things like that. I'm certain that Disney could not give a fuck about a small minority of so called fans, who mainly spend their time harassing the cast, crew and actual fans for not giving into their stupid demands.

Do you seriously think they care? The only ones that anyone official has ever even mentioned is RedLetterMedia. I really doubt they lose a second of sleep over the opinion of NerdShit.com.

Maybe you should step outside your echo chamber, it isn't healthy.

 

[Awesome Possum]

I wouldn’t blame her in the slightest for stepping away. She doesn’t need this. It wouldn’t stop those who want KK’s head on a pike from suggesting they won and suggest some sort of conspiracy theory that she really got fired, but what can ya do?

It is still all rumor from gossip rags though so time will tell.

If I were her, I'd stay out of spite. If she's even aware of these impotently angry dorks.

Also I would've made Kessel Run instead of Solo. It would be about Lando and Lobot getting into the Kessel Run, which is a smuggler's run through a heavily patrolled sector of space near the planet Kessel. It's a challenge that smuggler's do for bragging rights and to get better jobs. It's pretty much Cannonball Run in space with Lando as Burt Reynolds. There are even two old guys dressed as Jedi because they think it will help them get past Imperial patrols. Also Han and Chewie are in the race too, but they're treated as Lando's buddies and they help him in one scene.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Also I would've made Kessel Run instead of Solo. It would be about Lando and Lobot getting into the Kessel Run, which is a smuggler's run through a heavily patrolled sector of space near the planet Kessel. It's a challenge that smuggler's do for bragging rights and to get better jobs. It's pretty much Cannonball Run in space with Lando as Burt Reynolds. There are even two old guys dressed as Jedi because they think it will help them get past Imperial patrols. Also Han and Chewie are in the race too, but they're treated as Lando's buddies and they help him in one scene.

OK, that could have been hillarious. Notice how Han says to Kenobi that the Falcon is the ship that made the Kessel Run in less than twelve parsecs. He didn't even have to be the one piloting her.

Plus, it would have given theme a chance to try out their new Han Solo and see if he takes before committing to a whole film starring him.

 

[Awesome Possum]

OK, that could have been hillarious. Notice how Han says to Kenobi that the Falcon is the ship that made the Kessel Run in less than twelve parsecs. He didn't even have to be the one piloting her.

Plus, it would have given theme a chance to try out their new Han Solo and see if he takes before committing to a whole film starring him.

That was the hole in canon I was going to use. I'd also have a few scenes where Han is clearly in love with the Falcon and keeps trying to buy it from Lando. I like the idea of Han and Lando having a friendly rivalry.

I'd want a song too. A country song about space travel and outrunning the Empire. There might be a bit of Smokey and the Bandit in it too. The idea of Imperial officers with deep southern accents chasing after smugglers is strangely appealing to me.

 

[Kane_Steel]

I don't give a shit about the opinion of internet randos and obscure blogs. But if you put yourself in an echo chamber then you're going to believe crazy things like that. I'm certain that Disney could not give a fuck about a small minority of so called fans, who mainly spend their time harassing the cast, crew and actual fans for not giving into their stupid demands.

Do you seriously think they care? The only ones that anyone official has ever even mentioned is RedLetterMedia. I really doubt they lose a second of sleep over the opinion of NerdShit.com.

Maybe you should step outside your echo chamber, it isn't healthy.

You're an active member on a Star Trek message board with like 10 other active users.. lol. You're welcome to your own opinion, but let's not bring up this 'echochamber' nonsense. Makes you look like a total hypocrite.

All you're doing is burying your head in the sand if you conveniently choose to ignore JeremyJahns, Collider, etc Most, if not all of this channels, are connected to the industry, get invited to press screenings, have a significant podium to speak from, and the PR departments of these major studios have proven before that they are aware of them and do care about their opinion. I most recently watched the Russo Bros speaking on Collider and it was quite interesting how significant the 'echochamber' is in today's film industry landscape.


Regardless, I'm quite confident big changes as Lucasfilm are coming. The Disney higher ups are, without a doubt, concerned about long-term brand damage to their IP, and what you consider as the supposed 'small minority' will likely get what they want

 

[BillJ]

Regardless, I'm quite confident big changes as Lucasfilm are coming.

Great. I look forward to your rants about the next person because they don't make movies that live up to expectations that have been building since childhood.

 

[Kane_Steel]

That depends on the quality of their product honestly, and how it's received.

I've posted nothing but positivity regarding Kevin Feige and how he's handling things. He's the man.

Though, when my Kathleen Kennedy 'leaving' prediction comes true, I claim bragging rights

 

[BillJ]

That depends on the quality of their product honestly, and how it's received.

I've posted nothing but positivity regarding Kevin Feige and how he's handling things. He's the man.

I think if a white man was heading up these last movies, you'd have been perfectly fine with them.

And, honestly, I've never seen so much hype and love for something that is so mediocre (the Marvel films). They are essentially the same movie over and over, following pretty much the same formula.

 

[Trekkin]

I think if a white man was heading up these last movies, you'd have been perfectly fine with them.

And, honestly, I've never seen so much hype and love for something that is so mediocre (the Marvel films). They are essentially the same movie over and over, following pretty much the same formula.

But you can mine them for imagery, which you can then turn into memes depicting the death of a Disney employee.

Which totally isn’t a downright weird way to spend your precious time on earth. Nope.

I'd want a song too. A country song about space travel and outrunning the Empire.

Just the good ol' boys
Never meanin' no harm...

 

[Campe]

All you're doing is burying your head in the sand if you conveniently choose to ignore JeremyJahns, Collider, etc Most, if not all of this channels, are connected to the industry, get invited to press screenings, have a significant podium to speak from, and the PR departments of these major studios have proven before that they are aware of them and do care about their opinion. I most recently watched the Russo Bros speaking on Collider and it was quite interesting how significant the 'echochamber' is in today's film industry landscape.

Sure, they get invited to press screenings (hate to break it to you, but that's not that hard. I have a friend who runs a crappy podcast that has about 100 listeners and gets into press screenings), but a significant podium? Eh. Maybe in a small sect of geekdom.

I am far more in a position to believe long-running reputable sources that have been around for decades and have good reputations in the industry. You know, Variety? The Hollywood Reporter? I still don't know who Jeremy Jahns and the guys and girls at Collider are. These guys just spout off news from reputable sources and put their own spin on it. If you can make money off of that model, awesome. But so much of what they spout is spun in such a manner of opinion, its hard to take them that seriously. There are real pundits out there who have been covering the industry for years, understand marketing, understand audience engagement, understand numbers. What do these YouTubers have? A bachelors in film and aren't actually working in the industry? Okay, that's something. But not much. I certainly don't take the guy from Geeks and Gamers seriously. He's far more interested in creating controversy than spouting the truth. You want to talk echo chamber? Read the comments on one of his videos. Yeesh.

 

[INACTIVESamusAranX]

I think if a white man was heading up these last movies, you'd have been perfectly fine with them.

Both JJ and Rian are white men who directed the films. Kennedy merely green lights and gives a general yay or nay on where she wants the direction to go and some creative input. And as proof further that they really were the ones influencing the films, look at the stark contrast in styles, themes, etc between the two movies. They were given quite the latitude. If Kennedy was the true driving force and consistent creative mastermind, the films would bear more hallmarks of such; but she seems to be like Feige; give them a framework then let the director have their freedom. Otherwise I couldn’t see Rian being as bold as he was with TLJ.

But please, lecture people by all means on how their only reason for criticizing the films is because of sexism. I’m not doubting there’s people out there who bear ill feelings towards Kennedy because of that, but it’s quite disingenuous to suggest all are that way, especially in light of the above showing that it was white men who had a major influence, if not the most influence, on the two saga films. And for the record I don’t feel Kennedy deserves to go, and I’ve stated that repeatedly. Business is a numbers game, and there’s 4 billion reasons why she deserves to stay longer. I’m overall not too thrilled with Disney Star Wars, feeling uneven about the films, but they’re making money and I am not going to bear hostile feelings towards any person because I dislike a film. The only way I’d say let her go is if Star Wars continues it decline in revenue from the films. Then it becomes a bottom line decision.

And, honestly, I've never seen so much hype and love for something that is so mediocre (the Marvel films). They are essentially the same movie over and over, following pretty much the same formula.

That’s a matter of opinion of course, but the fact is that somehow, Feige has avoided the law of diminishing returns on quite a few films. The third Avengers *outgrossed* the first one; that’s unheard of for a threequel; Black Panther was an “ancillary” film, the umpteenth of many films, and raked in 1.3 billion. That’s insane. The MCU is a literal cash machine, so they’re doing something right, and while it’s unfair to Kennedy, Disney may down the line say “well, our Marvel IPO is avoiding diminishing returns in many cases. Kathleen, why is each new Star Wars grossing less then it’s predecessors?” So if Kennedy goes, its only because of what rules Hollywood: money. And again, I’m not saying it’s fair, I’m just presenting the only scenario where I can see Disney parting ways.

 

[EnsignRicky]

I think if a white man was heading up these last movies, you'd have been perfectly fine with them.

I'm seeing this allegation thrown around so much, I'm beginning to wonder how often it's actually true and how often it's just used in a slanderous attempt to discredit the argument of a poster one disagrees with.

Rian Johnson I'm guessing is white and he kinda looks a little like a man; And he's honestly the only one I would even think to detest, resent or hurl hate filled bile at.

 

[Trekkin]

I'm seeing this allegation thrown around so much, I'm beginning to wonder how often it's actually true and how often it's just used in a slanderous attempt to discredit the argument of a poster one disagrees with.

Rian Johnson I'm guessing is white and he kinda looks a little like a man; And he's honestly the only one I would even think to detest, resent or hurl hate filled bile at.

Oh, don’t worry. We’re well aware that many of these bung holes who err more towards the incel-breed of loser,

Where they do resent women. And typically minorities, or any potential threat to the status quo that previously catered almost exclusively to them.

But also keep a bottomless well of hate for just about any person who even vaguely reminds them of their own insignificance. Including other men. aka. The Chads, the White Knights, etc.

Of course, that also tends to describe any bigot that’s ultimately gets what they want. Once ‘the other’ is...dealt with, the snake inevitably just divides and starts eating itself. Mindlessly hateful and vile does, as mindlessly hateful and vile does.

After a good amount of victim blaming. Of course.

 

[suarezguy]

I think a big issue is overexposure and people also taking Star Wars for granted.

It seems that for years fans and even producers of other SF series said there's just been too much Star Trek for too long, of course the fans have become pickier and more critical and the shows less successful, and yet other studios also seem pretty unable to resist (continually) over-saturating the market despite increasing fan dissatisfaction.

 

[Kane_Steel]

I think if a white man was heading up these last movies, you'd have been perfectly fine with them.

Haha. What an allegation. Luckily, I've got a good sense of humor.

And, honestly, I've never seen so much hype and love for something that is so mediocre (the Marvel films). They are essentially the same movie over and over, following pretty much the same formula.

Cool story. Critics, Audiences, Fans and General audiences disagree with you, and Marvel Studios has eclipsed Star Wars as the box office juggernaut, 4 Billion this year is guaranteed. That's a historic accomplishment.

 

[suarezguy]

Star Wars fans: "Give us more Star Wars"
Disney does

I'm not sure how much demand there was prior to Disney announcing it was going to, though there was definitely openness and even, quickly after the announcement, excitement. Before some even were thinking there was already too much, at least the reaction to 3D rereleases of the films was often "Huh, what's the point?"

 

[Armus]

The first person to damage Star Wars was George Lucas back in 1997 when he made changes to the Original Trilogy with his Special Editions. In my opinion, Rogue One has been the only half way decent Star Wars movie since then but it can't hold a candle to the original trilogy.

 

[Armus]

One observation: the new films seem to make a point to give women more action and feature more non whites in starring roles, which is great so long as the characters are charismatic and the action scenes have some believability to them.