Something about your tone in this thread and every single thread I’ve ever seen you post in leaves me skeptical.
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Something about your tone in this thread and every single thread I’ve ever seen you post in leaves me skeptical.
I love the fantasy of Star Wars but it's not much of a teaching vehicle. Not like Star Trek ... sniff
(There is something very hammy and theatrical about stormtroopers and Vader).Social media sucks and yet here we are.
The fans haven’t learned anything from Trek either. A good number of them are the exact people that people in the TNG/DS9/VOY look back on as unevolved and a terrible example of humanity.
It's a double-edged sword in my opinion. The gift that I can be writing my thoughts with a keypad here in Kedron, Oz and in seconds some poor sucker half way across the world might feel a curiosity to read it. It's the same facility that can create the divide too. All that blessed noise born of anonymity and freedom.
It’s also allowed many to hide behind a mask and post the most vile sexist, racist, bigoted material. Sure it’s common online. But Trek and to a lesser extent Star Wars, were never about that. Trek was dead opposed to the very idea, yet on this very board we’ve seen posters lose their minds over the very thought of minorities being on Trek. Even just with Star Wars, a franchise that gave us Leia and showed the heroes (humans of every kind with various aliens and droids) united against a fascist enemy composed entirely of British white men and Darth Vader who never got accent lessons. Now we have “fans” attacking actors, writers, directors and producers for not giving them the exact movie they wanted. It’s not criticism, it’s just attacks. It deserves no respect, consideration or anything other than a shift dismissal. It honestly makes me ashamed to be called a fan because that’s what they want to call themselves. And Star Wars means an awful lot to me. Anyone who knows me in person or has seen my Facebook knows that.
Maybe I’m just done with fandom, especially if it’s going to devolve into nothing but a bunch of toxic assholes spewing terror at the very people who make what they claim to love because it didn’t fit into their preconceived idea of what it should be and they weren’t able to handle it like an adult.
First... are you expecting nuance and subtle commentary in STAR WARS?!?!? Lol!!!
Have you SEEN the movies?
Second, sure let’s compare the morality of two fictional characters on a made up planet freeing CGI creatures to a choice an actual person on an actual planet would make when confronted by actual animals.
What a jolly good time!
My comments were about the actions taken by make believe people with the context of a fictional environment - making real world comparisons show somebody is taking this crap WAYYYYYY too seriously.
Take a breath and have some fresh sea cow milk. It’s refreshing.
People really need to stop using the words "fan" and "fandom" in relation to the troglodytes who act like their dislike of a film or character is justification for reprehensible behavior.
You're talking to the wrong person about taking movies too seriously. I am trying to explain why people including myself didn't like that particular scene too much. If you think Star Wars has other on the nose social commentary similar to the scene please point me at it.
Unfortunately toxicity and fandom go hand in hand.
The animals are abused, frightened, and held in captivity.
Yet....Freeing them=dumb because they ran through some windows and weren’t led by their saviors back to their home herd after being treated by said heroes and give the Canto Bight equivalent of a bag of oats and a beer rubdown.
Yet....Freeing them=dumb because they ran through some windows and weren’t led by their saviors back to their home herd after being treated by said heroes and give the Canto Bight equivalent of a bag of oats and a beer rubdown.
IN a film series with black and white/good and evil tropes? You don't say.
Well you're not wrong, but to me this scene felt different from any others. Throughout the saga our heroes didn't really take action against any status quo but the empire. Slavers weren't the enemy in episode 1 for example. I might be wrong but I think that this was the first scene in star wars featuring someone taking a social stance. And I don't think it was done too well.
Given that Lucas framed the Rebels vs. The Empire as a Vietnam era power struggle, I would say it's been present for a while.
Given what I know of Lucas, I have a hard time believing that he sees star wars as anything other than a silly children's tale. Admittedly I don't know much though.
It's in his notes. I recall reading it in the "Making of Star Wars" book.
Also, a quick Google search turned up numerous articles on the matter. This quote stood out to me:
I recall seeing that in the book as part of one of the early drafts.
I don't think this allegory holds up too well, but fair play to Lucas I guess.
The Ewoks vs the Empire is very reminiscent of the Vietnam War. IIRC, Lucas mentioned that parallel in an interview somewhere.
America as an evil empire doesn't hold up? Because, I'm pretty sure I still hear that narrative.
I'm sure someone disagrees on that point.
That holds up a bit better. We can make a thread about this or drop this debate because it's too off topic even for this thread
Yeah, lets all gang up on America.
Until the Huns come knockin' at your door.
Until the Huns come knockin' at your door.