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A visual depiction of something I've not seen before...

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Irishman

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You know, I wondered what the hangar of the TOS Enterprise would look like with as many F type shuttles as I could reasonably fit in there.

So, because cloning a shuttle in a modern 3D program is kid's play, and I already have an Enterprise that I'm trying to flesh out and detail faithfully, here is the first of my renders:

https://irishman20.deviantart.com/art/New-Enterprise-WIP-67-747913092?ga_submit_new=10:1527982918

For those curious about such things, I am a proponent of a 1080 foot long Enterprise length, and I used Warped9's 28 foot length for the F type.
 
Tha hangar bay always looked way bigger than that in the original model shots, but i guess those aren't canon or something like that.. :shrug:
 
Orac said:
Tha hangar bay always looked way bigger than that in the original model shots, but i guess those aren't canon or something like that.. :shrug:
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They have the problem of being physically impossible, given the scale we've been told.

Maybe JJ wasn't completely off his nut.
 
This then, of course, goes moves into a debate as to what size the hanger bay actually was; if the miniature was forced perspective; is the perceived length or the force perceptive length the "real" length? etc.
 
There are other factors that can change the apparent size and scale of these props. One that springs to mind is the type of lens used. I think that I'm using the default lens (35mm) in Blender.

I'm out of the house atm, but I will check the lens when I return. Another thought experiment I'm gonna try is to scale the shuttle to the same size as the one that the studio used to film the actors in, and scale up the enterprise to the same scale as the production drawings (from "The Making of Star Trek").
 
Could be worse. I really think they stole a TARDIS to use as VOYAGER's shuttle bay.
 
Why is it necessary for the Enterprise to have a football field sized hangar with huge, unused overhead space? Doesn’t it actually make a lot more sense for it to fit the four shuttles stated as being aboard, tightly, with minimal headroom, and that those shuttles be remotely guided by tractor or onboard guidance for takeoff and landing?

This ain’t a carrier with steam catapults, arresting hooks, and fifty fighters. A shuttlecraft should be a lot more like a 2018 drone that can go out for a long loop and come back to the same dime-sized spot from which it took off. All piloted via internal machine guidance.
 
Are you referring to Drexler’s cross section? I’d say Jefferies got it right. He showed exactly how big that flight deck was supposed to be on his Phase II cross section.

Plus, they said right in Galileo 7 that the shuttlecraft was supposed to be 24 feet long. I’m willing to see that stretch to “the body is 24 feet” but if it cramps the flight deck, all you are seeing is what happens when you mess with the relationship between shuttle and flight deck that Jefferies worked out.
 
uniderth said:
This then, of course, goes moves into a debate as to what size the hanger bay actually was; if the miniature was forced perspective; is the perceived length or the force perceptive length the "real" length? etc.
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Sounds like from this article on the Shuttlebay that Jeffries knew exactly what size he wanted. But, since the miniature was missing the removable wall he wanted, I wonder if any other liberties were taken. Looks like easily 9 could fit based on the drawings, probably with some room to spare. If anything the miniature looks a little smaller width based on the shuttle.

http://forgottentrek.com/creating-the-original-enterprises-shuttlebay/
 
aridas sofia said:
Are you referring to Drexler’s cross section? I’d say Jefferies got it right. He showed exactly how big that flight deck was supposed to be on his Phase II cross section.
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No, I was referring to the NX-01. It has pockets for shuttles rather than a landing deck, right?
 
Yes and if I’m not mistaken it is an idea Alan Everhart had on his Saladin class blueprints back in the 1970s.
 
So, I'm kind of working on tweaking the scaling for both the Enterprise and the shuttlecraft, so no new renders today. I'm just blown away by the same things that everyone else who's tried to figure this out before - how honking' huge those shuttles are, both sized next to a 5'8" man, but especially as compared to the shuttle bay space (even scaled to 1080 feet).

Here is what I mean: https://irishman20.deviantart.com/art/New-Enterprise-WIP-72-749558206

The small is one is the 23' one, and the large one is the 28'.

Crazy me is thinking about scaling up to 32' (to match the scale of the shuttlecraft interior set shots, and to scale up the shuttle bay artwork from "The Making of Star Trek".
 
That's... quite large. I don't know man, even the 28' seems big to me. I can understand the urge to stay as close to source as possible but hey, you might be able to incorporate bays on the side to store shuttles like the Kelvinprise. Judging from the looks, you have the space for that...
 
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