Spoilers Star Wars: Solo - Grading and Discussion Thread
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I really do not care for this assumption. It feels very much like it has to paint Johnson in a negative light for the sake of it.
The rest of your points, I don't agree on the Knights of Ren. I feel like we have not seen the whole story of what happened that night, and that Rey's vision/flashback could fit in with what Luke described. I don't see it as incompatible.
As for the First Order, yes, I'll agree that he sped things up and I'm not certain that was the best choice. However, as much as I like Star Wars, there are times when "speed of plot" happen. Han goes from a Rebel Captain to a General because...? The Empire takes 19 years to finish constructing the Death Star I but only 3 for the second one because...?
It's annoying but I don't see it as discarding or ignoring Abrams work.
Galen Erso kept stalling?
Rank of general is the equivalent to a good effort trophy in the GFFA. They hand those ranks out like candy, Lando got one for some fancy flying at the Battle of Taanab.
I wonder if they're saving the Battle of Taanab for that Lando movie...
Trying to make sense of the rank system in SW is...difficult, to say the least.
IIRC, the actual construction of the Death Star itself didn't take very long, it was trying to figure the weapon out that contributed to the project's twenty year length. With that out of the way, a second Death Star could very well be done up in a fraction of the time.
Also, maybe the Empire eliminated labour unions? Takes care of another roadblock.
Or the second Death Star was already under construction?
I don't think so.
ROTJ crawl:
Little does Luke know that the
GALACTIC EMPIRE has secretly
begun construction on a new
armored space station even
more powerful than the first
dreaded Death Star.
GALACTIC EMPIRE has secretly
begun construction on a new
armored space station even
more powerful than the first
dreaded Death Star.
The verb tense "has ... begun" pretty much implies that construction started sometime after the end of TESB.
It makes more sense that it was already under construction.
Is the crawl canon?
In 2030: "How the Opening Crawls Are Entries in the Journal of the Whills --- A Star Wars Story."It makes more sense that it was already under construction.
Is the crawl canon?
I think Marvel's deep treasure trove is the saving grace here. So far we've had 2 stand alone movies and the one that is "bombing" is about a major character.
I'm thinking about my wife here. I'm in the same situation as Campe98. The biggest "confusing" factor for a casual fan like my wife is "when does this movie take place?"
With Marvel we have one consistent timeline with each movie taking place one after the next. Yes, they are also kinda/sorta carrying the storyline forward, but I doubt the casual fans are picking up on that. But it's a simple progression from one movie to the next.
Not with Star Wars. Episode 4, Episode 5, Episode 6, Episode 1, Episode 2, Episode 3, Episode 7, Rogue One is between Ep 3 and 4, Episode 8, Solo is between Ep 3 and Rogue One, Episode 9...
If you aren't paying attention, you get lost. My wife refuses to watch Star Trek prior to Trek 09 because she feels she's 50 years behind the game and must watch 50 years of Star Trek in order to catch up and understand what is going on.
Most of the current movie going crowd started with the first Marvel movie and have successfully kept up.
I also think there are too many Harrison Ford fans out there that refuse to see anyone else play Solo.
This is the only thing I can come up with to explain the lackluster performance. Franchise fatigue? How can Star Wars suffer from franchise fatigue but not Marvel? Disappointment with Episode 8? Really? Solo has nothing to do with Episode 8. That's like saying you don't want to see any other Marvel movie because you were disappointed with Winter Soldier.
there must be something fundamentally different between Star Wars and Marvel fans.
Now you've done it. The arguments on this one will never end.
Saying Solo had bad marketing is like saying rain is wet or snow is cold. They really should have had a trailer prepared to show with TLJ. February is definitely too late for the first trailer of a movie being released in May. Hell, the movie didn't even get any of the merchandising lead-ins that TFA, TLJ and even Rogue One had.
Though really, they should have postponed its release to December when Lord and Miller were fired and Ron Howard was brought in.
Yes to both.
The more I think about it, they really screwed up the Kessel Run. And now I'm gonna have to do something I hate: typing more than twenty words in a single post.
The original intention: The Kessel run is a route flown by Spice smugglers transporting Spice from the Spice mines of Kessel to wherever it ended. It's a well traveled route hence the term run and many pilots enjoy boasting about the number of parsecs in which they can do it under.
The new intention: The Kessel run is a route that seems to have been imrovised by a desperate Han Solo as a means of getting an unstable cargo of Coaxium from the Coaxium mines of Kessel to a specific location on the planet Vandor, by any means necessary before it exploded. Aside from that or a suicidal desire to be eaten by giant space Rathtars, there probably aren't many pilots willing to take that kind of risk on a regular basis. And since all Coaxium smuggled from Kessel would be unprocessed, they would have to. And finally, seeing how much death and destruction our gang had to go through just to get this batch, it's highly improbable that there would be an ongoing Kessel run to brag about.
The Disney Intention: There was one word in my first paragraph that's just as missing from my second as it is from the film itself: Spice. From what was originally intended, Han Solo was a Spice smuggler who smuggled Spice from the Spice mines of Kessel. Unfortunately that would make him the Star Wars equivalent of a drug smuggler and they can't have that. So what is Disney to do? Drop the Spice and invent Coaxium, the Star Wars equivalent of Dilithium crystals and the stuff that makes space travel possible. Ironically if this was Dune, we would just be right back to calling it Spice again.
So remember kids, Uncle Walt says: Always shoot first and just say no.
The original intention: The Kessel run is a route flown by Spice smugglers transporting Spice from the Spice mines of Kessel to wherever it ended. It's a well traveled route hence the term run and many pilots enjoy boasting about the number of parsecs in which they can do it under.
The new intention: The Kessel run is a route that seems to have been imrovised by a desperate Han Solo as a means of getting an unstable cargo of Coaxium from the Coaxium mines of Kessel to a specific location on the planet Vandor, by any means necessary before it exploded. Aside from that or a suicidal desire to be eaten by giant space Rathtars, there probably aren't many pilots willing to take that kind of risk on a regular basis. And since all Coaxium smuggled from Kessel would be unprocessed, they would have to. And finally, seeing how much death and destruction our gang had to go through just to get this batch, it's highly improbable that there would be an ongoing Kessel run to brag about.
The Disney Intention: There was one word in my first paragraph that's just as missing from my second as it is from the film itself: Spice. From what was originally intended, Han Solo was a Spice smuggler who smuggled Spice from the Spice mines of Kessel. Unfortunately that would make him the Star Wars equivalent of a drug smuggler and they can't have that. So what is Disney to do? Drop the Spice and invent Coaxium, the Star Wars equivalent of Dilithium crystals and the stuff that makes space travel possible. Ironically if this was Dune, we would just be right back to calling it Spice again.
So remember kids, Uncle Walt says: Always shoot first and just say no.
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Or the upcoming Captain Marvel, set in the 1990s. Or for that matter, this summer's Ant-Man and the Wasp, which is set before Infinity War and directly after Civil War.
Yeah I hear you, but I still think the original intent for Spice was that it was slang for narcotics.
I don't think Han would have gotten in trouble with Jabba for dumping a cargo of Ring Dings.
I shouldn't say that; That's probably exactly what they'll retcon it to in Fett: a Star Wars story.
