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TLJ Actor Kelly Marie Tran (Rose Tico) Deletes Instagram After Abuse

This is vile and reprehensible. Sure Rose is a poorly written one dimensional character created just to give Finn someone to play with while Rey was away, and sure Tran may have turned in a less than inspiring performance that became more and more grating as the film wore on; But that is no excuse for personally attacking the poor woman.

Personally attack the shitty, hack writer who made her that way. You know, the baby faced guy with beady eyes and the big giant forehead.
 
Kane_Steel said:
My point was that the producers and director are to blame for the character being received so poorly, not the acting "talent"
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How in the world are the producers and directors to blame for how a character is received? Communication requires two endpoints to occur: sender and receiver. Producers and directors are on the sending side; they only get the work out the door. The reception part is up to the audience. If the producers and directors hold any "blame" in how character is received, it can only be shared with the audience.
 
This is an old video Jake Llyod talking about harassment he got for his role in Ep I. Fans at conventions and people at his school gave this poor kid hell. Child actors normally get a bad rep for the movies they do, but Lloyd had the misfortune of catching the toxic vitriol from the Star Wars community.

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CorporalCaptain said:
How in the world are the producers and directors to blame for how a character is received? Communication requires two endpoints to occur: sender and receiver. Producers and directors are on the sending side; they only get the work out the door. The reception part is up to the audience. If the producers and directors hold any "blame" in how character is received, it can only be shared with the audience.
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Audiences are not to blame for the creative faults of the people in charge. That's silly. That's taking all responsibility for 'quality' of content away from the ones producing it. That will never happen.

By your logic, we can't really blame George Lucas for Jar Jar and how the character was received, we must blame the fans for being divided over it.

What you're describing will never happen, especially now in this age of social media, accountability, and audience Rotten Tomato scores.


After the release of Black Panther and the subsequent praise and success it got, it's interesting to see that Danai Guirra was never the victim of racism, sexism, or internet bullying... while the Rose Tico actor was. I wonder why. It's a reflection of the product that the respective producers/directors put out. The Rose Tico actor shouldn't have been blamed for this, but the creatives should be held accountable.
 
Kane_Steel said:
Audiences are not to blame for the creative faults of the people in charge.
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I never said that they were.

That's taking all responsibility for 'quality' of content away from the ones producing it.
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Quality is always a matter of opinion on both sides of the equation.

By your logic, we can't really blame George Lucas for Jar Jar and how the character was received
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That's true, we can't "blame" George Lucas for something that is our right as an audience to exercise, namely the right not to like (or to like) something in his films.

we must blame the fans for being divided over it.
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That's false. There is no "blame" to be had for something that is our right as an audience to exercise, namely the right not to like (or to like) something in his films.
 
As a Star Wars fan it pisses me off that the media is using the behavior of a very tiny handful of immature assclowns to define the SW fan community as a whole.

Instead of trying to defend these cretins as if their behavior is justified, the rest of the community should be condemning and ostracizing them... but I guess decent human behavior has become too much to ask for now.
 
This is just a case of hate running rampant. Dislike TLJ all you want but remember whatever you may think of people involved: Tran, Johnson, Kennedy, they’re still people. And they deserve some common decency. You don’t have to like the people. Maybe they have flaws. But you know what? So does everyone. You included!

Star Wars Action News has been attempting to push a campaign on Twitter in order to stop the hate between fans and towards the celebs involved. Sadly, it hasn’t taken long for some to hijack this and spread their own hate suggesting they’re being righteous.

Nope. Live and let live. None of the constant sniping at every turn.

#ForceOutHate
 
DigificWriter said:
Instead of trying to defend these cretins as if their behavior is justified, the rest of the community should be condemning and ostracizing them... but I guess decent human behavior has become too much to ask for now.
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On the internet, yes that seems to be so.
Campe98 said:
Dislike TLJ all you want but remember whatever you may think of people involved: Tran, Johnson, Kennedy, they’re still people. And they deserve some common decency. You don’t have to like the people. Maybe they have flaws. But you know what? So does everyone. You included!
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This needs to reiterated for many many years to come. Need to learn from past mistakes and make things better, not worse.
 
CorporalCaptain said:
I never said that they were.

Quality is always a matter of opinion on both sides of the equation.

That's true, we can't "blame" George Lucas for something that is our right as an audience to exercise, namely the right not to like (or to like) something in his films.

That's false. There is no "blame" to be had for something that is our right as an audience to exercise, namely the right not to like (or to like) something in his films.
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There is no false or true on this matter definitively, just your opinion. The problem with your opinion on this is it excuses creatives (producers/directors) for taking any ownership for putting out a divisive product. Though if box office and toy/merch sales continue to go down, the audience divisiveness won't be as easy to ignore and producers/directors will be held accountable for their product, for the sake of protecting the IP from brand damage.

Anyway, today's social media age will continue to allow those involved in these projects to be blamed for content that a sizeable portion of the fanbase has a problem with. That's just the nature of where we are right now and what the industry is becoming. Never before have fans had such a voice (thanks to the internet and social media) and an influence on these tentpole films as they do today, and it will continue to grow. It's a different era.
 
Kane_Steel said:
The problem with your opinion on this is it excuses creatives (producers/directors) for taking any ownership for putting out a divisive product.
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I'm going to stop you there. The creators are not being excused. That's what the market is for. Rewarding products that consumers want, and performing poorly for products that are not wanted. That's where their ownership is and they are not beholden to the audience but to their bosses past that point.

Regardless, there is no excusing attacking people on an individual basis, be it Tran, Johnson or anyone else attached to the product. Personal attacks have zero place in civil discussion and should not be excused in some poor attempt to force creators to "own" their product. Of course they own it. They just are not accountable to the audience the way the some members of the audience would like them to be.
 
The movie sucks, the people who made it are dumb, the abusers aren’t to blame for being upset, all that racist and sexual abuse doesn’t mean the people saying it are really bigots...

But harassing people is bad.

Sorta.

Sometimes.

I guess.

Phew. Now that’s out if the way, time to get back to the super important important topics: ‘The ruining of my Star Wars, the many painful fates that should visited upon the people doing said ‘ruining,’ and how the whole world totally agrees with me.’
 
Hela said:
The movie sucks, the people who made it are dumb, the abusers aren’t to blame for being upset, all that racist and sexual abuse doesn’t mean the people saying it are really bigots...

But harassing people is bad.

Sorta.

Sometimes.

I guess.

Phew. Now that’s out if the way, time to get back to the super important important topics: ‘The ruining of my Star Wars, and how the whole world totally agrees with me.’
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Harassing people is bad. Unless they disagree with me and my personal vision of what a product should be. Then it's ok.

/s
 
They’re just expressing their creative feedback by telling an actress to ‘go back to China!’

Stop trying to take away muh freeze peaches, man.
 
Nobody hates Star Wars more than Star Wars fans. It's the one thing they have in common with diehard Trekkies. Basement dwelling morons.
 
It’s. Just. A. Movie.

Entertainment. Flickering pictures. You don’t have to love everything Star Wars. I love Star Wars but there are things I don’t like in just about every entry in the saga. But at the end of the day: I know I can’t change these things. Honestly, none of us, unless we get hired on at LFL can. I respect the idea that we think we own part of this saga. We’ve put in hours upon hours watching, reading, thinking about Star Wars. It’s there to enjoy. Or not. Why do we as a culture have so much entitlement that we think we can change things? Can’t we just enjoy what we enjoy and if we didn’t, leave the rest to everyone else who may have liked it?

Is that so hard?
 
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