Where DSC absolutely sinks itself is poorly applied VFX (good models though), and storytelling that is on par with what a Neanderthal could produce.
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It's a pilot which was written off ala not canon. Then the events of it are made sort of speak canon through "Menagerie".
It is just as canon as the rest. No one has ever written it off.
Unless the idea is that lore is meant to include every piece of content ever produced ever than sure you could say "The Cage" is canon, but by those respects so would many other things including the Shatner novels and so forth.
If it is officially produced, live-action then it is canon.
So with that it all fits under one roof, correct?
That is up to the individual to decide. I treat Discovery as an alternate timeline. But officially it is supposed to fit with "The Cage" and the rest of the franchise in the Prime timeline.
Not quite. Deleted scenes, while officially produced and live-action, are not considered canon (or at the least, official), unless they are re-integrated into whatever movie they were filmed for.
I'll leave it with this. If canon is as you stated produced/licensed live-action content (which means the producers decide in the end) then how is it upon the individual to decide if it's canon? A great proverb that suits your statement perfectly is you can't have your cake and eat it too.
I think in the case of DSC, there's been nothing stated overtly on screen that the show takes place in the Prime universe. So one could be free to interpret what fictional universe it belongs to.
Sort of canon? The Cage is canon as soon as it popped up in "The Menagerie."
There's nothing cake to it. CBS has their views on the subject (which is their right as the owner), and I have mine (which is my right as the consumer).
The events and I say the events are made canon in "Menagerie".
If one believes the producers of the show decide then DSC is very much prime (whether fans like or dislike that fact).
I won't debate the merits of headcanon, fanon, or anything of that matter since that is truly subjective and isn't a piece for discussion or debate.
I'm fine with what the producers say. I'm also fine with ignoring what they say based on what I perceive when I watch the show and then compare it to TOS.
Don't be pissing on Martin Madden!
He was exactly who I was thinking of when I wrote that post
So is TMP and I very much dislike that.
While I can't say I'm a fan of TMP these minor tweaks would have went a long way into making me like it a bit more.
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