Change Three Things About Each Film

[Lance Warren Baylis]

I agree all around, they were so cheap they reused the explosion from the previous movie! I suppose "average movie-goer" might not of noticed, but I did immediately and it sucked.

It's just a poorly conceived scene all the way around. The moment they realized their shields were being breached they should have just pasted the BOP.

Or changed the shield frequency. Or rotated it.

One: they didn't know Geordi can see it.
Two: Geordi wouldn't be seeing it the whole time, so we the audience would have bought my suggestions.

I've aleays said the way to make that scene work is a shot gets through the shields, and Geordi rotates the shield frequency. The Klingons see this, and adjust, getting another hit. After several of these, Geordi realizes what's happening, rips off the visor and yells for a someone else to adjust the shields, but it's too late. You coulda had a tense buildup with that.

Even then, Riker should have just pulverized the BOP with an all out salvo the moment the first hit got through.

True all around, and the thing we're all agreeing on is that the battle needed more VFX shots to help sell it. I truly do believe that the idea behind it is okay, the concept of a tiny ass ship taking down the Federation's most powerful vessel is powerful image (just look at the Jem Hadar fighters taking down the USS Odyssey on DS9 for a good example). But we needed to see the speedy BOP running rings around the Enterprise, maybe taking out her phaser grids quickly to prevent fightback and evading the lumbering 1701-D's attempts to fire torpedoes at her, as it is the battle as shown is over within minutes, it makes it feel like an after-thought when it really needed to feel like a centrepiece of the movie. Consider that this was launching TNG on the big screen after seven seasons of restricted TV budgets, splashing out a little more money for model photography which would have shown us something epic we'd never have gotten on television surely would have been justified.

 

[thribs]

Have Kirk not die. Having him die twice in one film was just redundant.

 

[Galileo7]

That's not three things. Thats an entirely different movie.

Okay, then small changes to TFF:

1. No 1701-A being a "disaster". The Admiral tells Kirk there are, in fact, other starships available, but not James Kirk commanding them. Fine, so have the Enterprise rendezvous with one of those available fully functioning Starfleet ships so Kirk can take command and head to Nimbus III.
2. No transporter failure, yet again.
3. Kirk using the Enterprise 1701-A [or other Starfleet ship he commands, see#1] phaser banks to stun the hostages and Sybok as was seen in TOS "A Piece of The Action".

 

[DarrenTR1970]

TWOK
1 - Make Sulu instead of Chekov Reliant's First Officer, thereby avoiding the whole 'When did Chekov and Khan meet?'
This allows Chekov to be back at the Enterprise weapons console and moves Saavik to Sulu's position at the helm.
2 - A better explanation other than Ceti Alpha VI exploded, causing Ceti Alpha V's orbit to shift.
As others have posted, a meteor impacting on the planet's surface would work just as well.
3 - Make Khan's followers more age appropriate and/or make Joachim Khan's and Marla's son, drawing a distinction between Khan and Kirk.
Khan raised his son without his mother, who died while, or shortly after, giving birth; and Kirk, who never knew David because he stayed away like Carol asked him to.

 

[Commishsleer]

TWOK (I love this movie so much so I don't want to wreck it )
1. Have Khan's crew older. The kids nearly take me out of the movie.
2. Don't hit me. Have Kirk's son be more likeable.
3. Don't have Kirk talk about Saavik's hair. It just seemed awkward to me.

 

[WarpFactorZ]

That's not three things.

Sure it is:

1. The beginning.
2. The middle.
3. The end.

Three things!

 

[Marsden]

TWOK

2 - A better explanation other than Ceti Alpha VI exploded, causing Ceti Alpha V's orbit to shift.
As others have posted, a meteor impacting on the planet's surface would work just as well.

How about a Supervolcano, we have them on Earth and they can cause a huge environmental change.

 

[Maurice]

Sure it is:

1. The beginning.
2. The middle.
3. The end.

Three things!

+the rest. 4 things!

 

[Tenacity]

Have Kirk not die. Having him die twice in one film was just redundant.

This.

Having Kirk die just to "pass a torch" (if that was the reason) was stupid. Kirk could have survived the end of Generations and in no way of interfered with further TNG movies, or stole thunder from Picard. We last see Kirk standing next to Picard as the shuttle comes into view. the rest of the movie plays out as it did.

Kirk both lives and disappears after Generations, no problems.

 

[JonnyQuest037]

Having Kirk die just to "pass a torch" (if that was the reason) was stupid. Kirk could have survived the end of Generations and in no way of interfered with further TNG movies, or stole thunder from Picard. We last see Kirk standing next to Picard as the shuttle comes into view. the rest of the movie plays out as it did.

Kirk both lives and disappears after Generations, no problems.

Personally, I don't find Kirk being alive in the 24th century with all of his friends in the 23rd mistakenly thinking he's dead a very satisfying ending.

 

[Vger23]

This.

Having Kirk die just to "pass a torch" (if that was the reason) was stupid. Kirk could have survived the end of Generations and in no way of interfered with further TNG movies, or stole thunder from Picard. We last see Kirk standing next to Picard as the shuttle comes into view. the rest of the movie plays out as it did.

Kirk both lives and disappears after Generations, no problems.

I actually didn't mind Kirk's death. And, I thought Shatner played it beautifully. I know I'm in the minority there.

 

[Tenacity]

Personally, I don't find Kirk being alive in the 24th century with all of his friends in the 23rd mistakenly thinking he's dead a very satisfying ending.

Okay, what about a stand alone Kirk movie. He reconnects with Spock and Scotty, and they roam the galaxy righting wrongs and fighting injustice?

I actually didn't mind Kirk's death.

To be honest, I preferred the original shot in the back death, over the crushed by the bridge death.

 

[Vger23]

Okay, what about a stand alone Kirk movie. He reconnects with Spock and Scotty, and they roam the galaxy righting wrongs and figthing injustice?To be honest, I preferred the original shot in the back death, over the crushed by the bridge death.

Oh...yikes...I don't know about that.

 

[Pauln6]

I actually didn't mind Kirk's death. And, I thought Shatner played it beautifully. I know I'm in the minority there.

I think it might have been better if they had shown an echo of Kirk, much like Guinan, remaining in the Nexus engaging in shenanigans for eternity.

 

[Vger23]

I think it might have been better if they had shown an echo of Kirk, much like Guinan, remaining in the Nexus engaging in shenanigans for eternity.

Given the nature of the Nexus, I've always assumed there is an echo of ANYONE who has ever been there leftover for eternity.

 

[Commishsleer]

I think it might have been better if they had shown an echo of Kirk, much like Guinan, remaining in the Nexus engaging in shenanigans for eternity.

I agree. That way 'spirit' Kirk could have handed over the 'torch' rather than dead Kirk,
Picard could have got the torch because he had followed Kirk's advice/example rather than by getting Kirk killed

 

[austen_pierce]

TFF

Edit-Galileo7 beat me to it.

Replace the film with one stitching together events in TVH with those in TUC. It’s all out war with the Klingon Empire. The Klingon ambassador, John Shuck(?), return to Q’onos curious at the slap on the wrist Kirk receives at the Federation trial and vows to have Kirk stand in a Klingon court.

The Klingon emperor is NOT Gorkon, but a ruthless anti-Federation zealot - that is your good old TOS Klingon. Still seething from the loss of Kruge, and enraged by the ambassador’s news that Kirk goes unpunished, the emperor orders a systematic canpaign against the Federation.

The Federation, still reeling from the whale probe, loses ground rapidly. But more level-headed elements within the Klingon empire, led by Gorkon) mount a revolution against the emperor in the interests of peace.

Kirk and company are spread to the winds. Sulu is promoted and starts whipping Excelsior into shape. Spock goes behind enemy lines to support Gorkon’s cause. Uhura moves into a temporary assignment in Starfleet intelligence. Kirk, McCoy, Scotty and Chekov lead a cadet crew to shake down Enterprise-A, and of course they end up fighting off several Klingon attacks on familiar worlds, strengthening Kirk’s anti-Klingon attitudes.

Edit - Ignoring McCoys warnings and without Spock to calm him, Kirk allows the rage at David’s murder to fuel his own revenge against the Klingons, blurring the lines between right and wrong, further setting up his figurative blindness going into TUC.

The movie ends with the Federation losing several key worlds and the Klingons announcing a major new initiate to construct state of the art battle cruisers purposed for the complete destruction of the Federation, using dilithium mined from their rich moon, Praxis.

 

[Lord Garth]

What the heck. The rest of the movies...

GEN
1. Don't turn Data's emotions into bad comic relief. I cringed at it even when I was 15.
2. Turn on the lights on the Enterprise-D.
3. Come up with some other way to introduce Picard to the Movie Audience. Not crying and getting beat up by Soran.

FC
1. Nothing.
2. See #1.
3. See #2.

INS
1. Patrick Stewart and Brent Spiner shouldn't have been allowed any input whatsoever.

2. Make no references to the Borg and Dominion. How can there be "Dominion Negotiations" when there's a war? If they've been fighting the Borg in the Alpha Quadrant (besides in FC), why are there no references to it in DS9? This is why the movies and TV series should be kept as separate as possible. I'm glad the Kelvin Films and DSC are kept separate.

3. If you want to do comedy, have a writer who can actually write it -- not Michael Piller -- doctor up the script.

NEM
1. Have Shinzon played by Patrick Stewart. He can pull off playing both him and Picard.
2. Explain when Picard was cloned.
3. Cut down the battle scenes by about half and add back in the character moments.

2009
1. Nothing.
2. See #1.
3. See #2.

Into Darkness
I'll go easy...
1. Have Kirk, Spock, and McCoy handle themselves better around Carol Marcus.
2. Don't kill off and bring back Kirk, and especially don't do it with Khan's Magic Blood.
3. We don't need Spock screaming "KHAN!!!!"

Beyond
1. It's interesting that the five-year mission was cut short -- kind of similar to how NBC cut it short in real life -- but I'd have had them complete the five-year mission anyway. Then it would've made more sense for Admiral Paris to offer Kirk a promotion.

2. Hmmm... I like this movie so this is tough. What else can I come up with? Keep Kirk in his regular uniform, after he lands on the planet. How would he have time to change clothes anyway?

3. I feel like there could've been more to Krall.

 

[Vger23]

TFF

Edit-Galileo7 beat me to it.

Replace the film with one stitching together events in TVH with those in TUC. It’s all out war with the Klingon Empire. The Klingon ambassador, John Shuck(?), return to Q’onos curious at the slap on the wrist Kirk receives at the Federation trial and vows to have Kirk stand in a Klingon court.

The Klingon emperor is NOT Gorkon, but a ruthless anti-Federation zealot - that is your good old TOS Klingon. Still seething from the loss of Kruge, and enraged by the ambassador’s news that Kirk goes unpunished, the emperor orders a systematic canpaign against the Federation.

The Federation, still reeling from the whale probe, loses ground rapidly. But more level-headed elements within the Klingon empire, led by Gorkon) mount a revolution against the emperor in the interests of peace.

Kirk and company are spread to the winds. Sulu is promoted and starts whipping Excelsior into shape. Spock goes behind enemy lines to support Gorkon’s cause. Uhura moves into a temporary assignment in Starfleet intelligence. Kirk, McCoy, Scotty and Chekov lead a cadet crew to shake down Enterprise-A, and of course they end up fighting off several Klingon attacks on familiar worlds, strengthening Kirk’s anti-Klingon attitudes.

Edit - Ignoring McCoys warnings and without Spock to calm him, Kirk allows the rage at David’s murder to fuel his own revenge against the Klingons, blurring the lines between right and wrong, further setting up his figurative blindness going into TUC.

The movie ends with the Federation losing several key worlds and the Klingons announcing a major new initiate to construct state of the art battle cruisers purposed for the complete destruction of the Federation, using dilithium mined from their rich moon, Praxis.

Nothing personal, but I'll stick with TFF thanks.

 

[Maurice]

TFF

Edit-Galileo7 beat me to it.

Replace the film with one stitching together events in TVH with those in TUC. It’s all out war with the Klingon Empire. The Klingon ambassador, John Shuck(?), return to Q’onos curious at the slap on the wrist Kirk receives at the Federation trial and vows to have Kirk stand in a Klingon court.

The Klingon emperor is NOT Gorkon, but a ruthless anti-Federation zealot - that is your good old TOS Klingon. Still seething from the loss of Kruge, and enraged by the ambassador’s news that Kirk goes unpunished, the emperor orders a systematic canpaign against the Federation.

The Federation, still reeling from the whale probe, loses ground rapidly. But more level-headed elements within the Klingon empire, led by Gorkon) mount a revolution against the emperor in the interests of peace.

Kirk and company are spread to the winds. Sulu is promoted and starts whipping Excelsior into shape. Spock goes behind enemy lines to support Gorkon’s cause. Uhura moves into a temporary assignment in Starfleet intelligence. Kirk, McCoy, Scotty and Chekov lead a cadet crew to shake down Enterprise-A, and of course they end up fighting off several Klingon attacks on familiar worlds, strengthening Kirk’s anti-Klingon attitudes.

Edit - Ignoring McCoys warnings and without Spock to calm him, Kirk allows the rage at David’s murder to fuel his own revenge against the Klingons, blurring the lines between right and wrong, further setting up his figurative blindness going into TUC.

The movie ends with the Federation losing several key worlds and the Klingons announcing a major new initiate to construct state of the art battle cruisers purposed for the complete destruction of the Federation, using dilithium mined from their rich moon, Praxis.

Again, not three things. That's a whole different movie.