Kathleen Kennedy Damaging Star Wars....?
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I don't regard him as the best character. I just regard him as popular with a lot of people. Frankly, I don't regard his characterization as well written. I don't think J.J. Abrams or Rian Johnson really knew what to do with him. The main problem is what was his reason for turning evil? Why? Because his uncle had considered scragging his ass for a minute or less? Snoke was psychologically manipulating him since he was a child? Leia and Han were bad parents? Why?
The first reason doesn't make any sense. Kylo Ren or Ben could have easily returned to his parents and expose "Uncle Luke". The second reason give him a moral out or excuse for his crimes. And that's just damn lazy to me. And the third excuse makes him look like some spoiled brat who expects his parents to wrap their worlds around him, 24/7. So what was the real reason?
Then the whole scenario with Kylo Ren and Rey smacks of a rape fantasy . . . as if Rey was expected to pretend what he tried to do to her and what he had done to Han and Finn could be easily swept under the rug for the sake a romance . . . despite the fact that the events of the 2015 and 2017 were either a day or less apart.
Kylo Ren seemed to be surrounded by vague or contrived writing to me. If he is supposed to be the "real star" of the Sequel Trilogy, then this only solidifies my belief that this current trilogy is utter crap.
This. The whole notion that Luke caused Ben's fall is not supported by the text of the film. Leia notes that it was Snoke, Luke notes the increase in the Dark Side and reacts, briefly, mirroring mistakes of the PT Jedi Order.
I certainly don't see Kylo as the "real star" of the ST, any more than the OT was all about the "Fall of Anakin Skywalker."
But they make so much money off of... nothing, oddly?
Yeah, and my brain can't grasp the concept.
TLJ may have caused divisions in a way amongst the fan base, but it doesn’t mean we can necessarily blame a person or persons without proof, as this video did.
I think the other problem is that both sides of the equation can’t seem to acknowledge that maybe, just maybe what they feel about the new movies isn’t factual, but rather quite subjective. You have those who dislike the nu-Star Wars universe telling others they should hate it too; but conversely, and included in this thread, you have those who like it saying those who hate are wrong, don’t have justification etc
For cripes sake, why? I love Star Wars. And in interest of full disclosure, I think TLJ is by far the worst of the Star Wars movies. I also loved Rogue One and the prequels. Yet I recognize that others don’t feel the same way. I can like chocolate cake, and my friend hates it. And that’s ok with me. But some of the viotrol being spewed by *both* sides is just well, dumb.
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I think the other problem is that both sides of the equation can’t seem to acknowledge that maybe, just maybe what they feel about the new movies isn’t factual, but rather quite subjective. You have those who dislike the nu-Star Wars universe telling others they should hate it too; but conversely, and included in this thread, you have those who like it saying those who hate are wrong, don’t have justification etc
For cripes sake, why? I love Star Wars. And in interest of full disclosure, I think TLJ is by far the worst of the Star Wars movies. I also loved Rogue One and the prequels. Yet I recognize that others don’t feel the same way. I can like chocolate cake, and my friend hates it. And that’s ok with me. But some of the viotrol being spewed by *both* sides is just well, dumb.
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This can apply to Doctor Who, and Star Trek Discovery. I think tho that Lost In Space is actually pretty true to the spirit of that 1st season of the show, when it was less campy. BSG was a bit of a break with the classic series too. I am not sure how BSG was received overall. I did like it, but I was more infatuated with the ships and fighters.. I loved the Pegasus.
It isn't worth the emotional energy to hate some movie that much.
You’re correct, it’s not, which is why I used the term “I think it’s the worst”, not hate.
I’m actually rewatching it tonight though. I want to see if so my best to shut off prior perspective, if I can appreciate more of the film.
TlJ is at the bottom of my list as well. There just isn't much there for me to chew on and enjoy. 2/3's of the movie (the search for gas and misadventures with Rose and Finn) are utter rubbish.
If I made ranking of the 9 films so far:
9. TLJ
8. TPM
7. RO
6. AOTC
5. ROTJ
4. TFA
3. ROTS
2. TESB
1. ANH
If I made ranking of the 9 films so far:
9. TLJ
8. TPM
7. RO
6. AOTC
5. ROTJ
4. TFA
3. ROTS
2. TESB
1. ANH
I think I've come to a realization that ranking the films is no longer relevant.
There are six films of varying quality that form the complete Star Wars saga. The rest are really just big budget fan films of vastly varying quality.
If Rian Johnson's vulgar little bastard of a film gave us anything positive, it would be this: Many fans like myself can now rest easy knowing that when we ultimately pass, we can do so with the comforting thought that our Star Wars story had already been told and we wont be missing a thing.
Star Trek, on the other hand...
There are six films of varying quality that form the complete Star Wars saga. The rest are really just big budget fan films of vastly varying quality.
If Rian Johnson's vulgar little bastard of a film gave us anything positive, it would be this: Many fans like myself can now rest easy knowing that when we ultimately pass, we can do so with the comforting thought that our Star Wars story had already been told and we wont be missing a thing.
Star Trek, on the other hand...
Alas, I must not be the right kind of fan. Because when I’m in my last moments, I’d like to think I’d have other ‘comforting’ things to help me rest easy.
You know, like friends. Family. Memories of a life fully lived. Lots of morphine.
The idea of my last moments being devoted to one last back-handed swipe at any movie, make me think Alec Guinness may have had a little bit of a point with his whole ‘obsessively watching Star Wars fifty times is just unhealthy’ jibber-jabber.
It had been told since ROTJ. Honestly, I'm more than content with just ANH.
The only stories really worth telling are the ones that bring meaning to ourselves. I enjoy Star Wars, a lot, but it doesn't bring meaning to me.
Indeed.
SW77 & TESB are outstanding, and every film after those two has been a let-down, though all have at least been good. Certain episodes of TCW and Rebels have been excellent or better, and most have been good.
I don't know where you got any of that from. I don't particularly want my last thoughts to be of Star Wars. It's just comforting to know that when my life starts flashing, it'll be nicely reconciled in there somewhere.
Ah. So you don’t want to waste some of your last seconds on earth, you just expect that you will.
So it’s exactly the same as what I said, just more defeatist.
Funny enough, wanting to see the new movies might have actually made Hypothetical!you live longer. Having small and specific goals like...living until a certain date or event, seems to have helped some terminal people extend their lives.
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As long as there are Star Wars movies I think that is a good thing.
I really don't understand how some people can get so worked up over one movie they didn't like. I didn't like Nemesis or the Enterprise finale, but I've never really seen the need to endlessly rant about them on the internet. I've watched Nemeis three times (first rewatch was to see if I liked it more the second time around, and the third was because I was reading some of the books that tied into it) and TATV twice (once when it aired and once as prep for the first Enterprise relaunch novel) and once I realized I didn't like them, I moved on. I was disappointed the TNG and ENT crews didn't get a better last on screen story, but I still happily watched the Kelvin movies, Discovery and continued to read the books and comics. I can't think of anything turning me against Star Trek or Star Wars the way TLJ seems to have turned people against SW. Even if Episode IX is the worst movie ever made, and Disco Season 2 is the worst season of TV ever, I will still gladly watch whatever comes next (as long as they are written/directed by different people). I love these franchises to much to let one, or even a handful of bad experiences chase me off. Now if they had a constant stream of shit for years, then I might turn away, but it would take a lot of serious shit.
If all it takes to turn you away from a franchise you claim to love is one movie you didn't like, then I really have to question how much of a fan you really were in the first place.
If all it takes to turn you away from a franchise you claim to love is one movie you didn't like, then I really have to question how much of a fan you really were in the first place.
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