Star Trek Discovery: The Future is Definitely Female
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Yeah...how was that supposed to work, again? Blowing up the capital was going to be like throwing a bucket of water on the Wicked Witch of the West?
The fans of this show are making far-fetched excuses for stupid, arbitrary and childish writing.
No, it was dumb as hell. And the idea that Sarek of Vulcan would sign off on planetary genocide flies against everything else we've ever known about the character. Federation officials wouldn't pull this shit again until the idea to use Hugh to destroy the Borg Collective in TNG and then the virus introduced into the Great Link of the Founders, but I'd have a hard time seeing Sarek agreeing that either was a good idea.
That said, it is what it is and as stupid as the concept was it does provide one silver lining: the idea for how the Great Houses and the Klingon High Council can be blackmailed into cooperating and reunifying the Empire post-DSC. It's not a very good story idea but a bomb planted at the heart of Qo'noS would be something that forces the Klingon Empire to get its collective shit together by the time of "Errand of Mercy(TOS)," at least on the surface.
Klingons aren't good at the "negotiations behind closed doors" thing.
That said, it is what it is and as stupid as the concept was it does provide one silver lining: the idea for how the Great Houses and the Klingon High Council can be blackmailed into cooperating and reunifying the Empire post-DSC. It's not a very good story idea but a bomb planted at the heart of Qo'noS would be something that forces the Klingon Empire to get its collective shit together by the time of "Errand of Mercy(TOS)," at least on the surface.
Klingons aren't good at the "negotiations behind closed doors" thing.
The bomb on Qo'noS sounds like an incentive to get the fuck off Qo'noS.
Hell, even their moon exploding barely caused them to budge, and everyone on the planet both knew and could SEE that.
Yeah. Klingons probably would have been perfectly content at just conquering the Federation worlds, but if Feds commit genocide of this scale, then the Fed planets would be razed. The Klingon fleet was already at Earth, they would nuke (photon) the entire planet to molten slag.
My head canon is that they moved the bomb to Praxis and forgot about it.
Does it though? The truth is we really don't know much about Sarek as defined by his own person. Everything we've come to know about him is through the lens of others. And what little we do know is that he can be a pragmatic dick. We know that Spock would never advocate for something like that, but then we know a lot about Spock. Sarek not so much. I'm hoping that this might be the reason we don't see Spock in the premier. That he's so upset after finding out what they did that he refuses to even acknowledge Sarek - and Micheal for going along with the plan.
Now I absolutely agree that, as a plot point, it was fucking idiotic, but hopefully some nugget of narration can come of it further down the road.
Moon explodes.
“Guys, who was in charge of making sure the bomb didn’t go off?”
“You were.”
“D’oh!”
Right, the merits and the viability of the plan can be debated from now on, but the question was; why did Starfleet green light a plan to commit genocide.
Desperation. I don't care much for that storyline, but that's what I got out of it.
It could’ve been done better. I think it’s really just supposed to an analogy of current issues. The Federation basically represents the US. So I guess it’s supposed to represent all the wars the US is involved in and were even inching towards a possible WWIII. Nearly all of this has stemmed from 9/11 in some way. We were attacked, we feel threatened now, so we feel we have to deal with any threat that pops up.
I think the actual threat on Earth was a mistake. It was probably only done to have a moral grey area or reasoning. It would’ve been more effective if it were a preemptive attack because they feared it would get to that point.
I think the actual threat on Earth was a mistake. It was probably only done to have a moral grey area or reasoning. It would’ve been more effective if it were a preemptive attack because they feared it would get to that point.
With Sarek, we largely get our information second hand, either from Spock or from Picard and his knowledge of him. He is the ambassador from Vulcan to Earth. He is highly pragmatic at times, and yet subject to fits of illogical choices where his son is concerned. Could that not reasonably extend to Burnham as well?
Sorry, I was pretending to be a 19th-century intellectual. Cindy says there's no good evidence for any fully matriarchal society ever existing, which is surprising, but that's what Cindy tells me.
He seems to have a better relationship with her at this time. I think the Spock wasn’t even speaking to him at this point. Vulcans do seem to form emotional attachments with family and friends, I don’t see why that wouldn’t extend to adopted children. If they’re anything like humans the connection would be just as strong as natural born children. They just don’t show it because of their beliefs about emotions. It important to remember that Vulcans train themselves to not use their emotions, but they do have them.
She also has been privied to information that Spock did not have and likely may never had had. The familial bond in Vulcans seems a bit interesting and complicated, as they rarely speak of family bonds or relations even when prompted.
I agree that I see no reason for it to be different with Burnham, and likely how she meets her end may end up making Sarek even more reserved.
Kind of adds more to the moment at the end of "Unification" with Picard sharing Sarek's thoughts to Spock.
Sadly, we got a preemptive attack on Earth in ENT when the Xindi test probe kills 7 million people and yet a lot of fans couldn't stop bitching and whining about that and how it didn't and still doesn't make sense. A preemptive Klingon attack on Earth would have been a much more interesting storyline than what we got, unfortunately. The war caused by Burnham just did not amount to much from a dramatic storytelling point of view.
This is what happens when Klingons drink too much bloodwine and eat bad gagh. Planet goes Boom!
Because the Klingons were sitting right on Earth's doorstep
Mutually Assured Destruction