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Star Trek Discovery: The Future is Definitely Female

So does this mean Georgiou is going to be a serious regular? Did I miss a update? Anyways we all know the future is robots. They will be the only living things that can survive the ravages of climate change or nuclear war.

Jason
 
So how 'bout those females eh?
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So does this mean Georgiou is going to be a serious regular? Did I miss a update? Anyways we all know the future is robots. They will be the only living things that can survive the ravages of climate change or nuclear war.

Jason
Are these single gender robots?

I would prefer that to having Tilly be the ultimate representation of the future female. Geeze we can do far better than that. I don't think I have ever read anyone touting wanting Neelix to be the best a male can do!
 
Very good.



I know there've been complaints about the realism of Miss Wiseman's supposed autism portrayal (although personally I'm not sure that was really what was shown onscreen anyway), but Tilly was for me an excellent example of positive female representation. She was flawed, she was human and she was fundamentally decent, she was someone that viewers of both genders could relate to as a realistic example of an ordinary human being in extraordinary circumstances.

That to me is what positive representation looks like, not idealised paragons of perfection, "evolved" humans who bear little resemblance to the reality of our own experiences. I'd love to be a fraction of the man Picard is, but in reality I can't empathise with him because he doesn't represent me, he represents an ideal, a set of ethical principles embodied in human form. He's as much a fantasy figure as the ship is.

As a man I always felt more akin to McCoy (minus the casual racism) or Archer, both imperfect, both frequently out of their depth but muddling through as best they can. Female posters may disagree with me here but I suspect many would relate more easily to Tilly than, say, Beverley Crusher.


Unfortunately, if they were trying to make Tilly the relate-able character, they probably should have dialled her personality back quite a bit.

She's a bit too eccentric and 'out there' so far. She's probably relate-able to some fans, but I'm doubtful she will have the same appeal to general audiences. She's often written like an eccentric character out of Gilmore Girls.

I thought the most recent best examples of perspective characters (for the audience) that were grounded were Tom Paris and Trip. Both did a good job speaking for the general audience (non-Trek fans), and were easy characters for non-Trek fans to see the Trek universe through.

STD really needed a character like that to balance things out. Amusingly, I think they thought that it would be Burnham. That hasn't worked out well so far.
 
"Identity politics" is just basic human decency. I'm not sure why anyone can have a problem with it and consider themselves a decent human being.
Cool. Let's just agree to disagree on that one.

But I understand your perspective now.

Let's just agree on @Kane_Steel needing more "white cis male" - gender politics in his fiction to be satisfied, and move on.:lol:
 
Star Trek WORLDWIDE has never been more accessible than today.

Like a lot of media. It's because of streaming I'm watching movies and shows I would have had difficulty trying to catch many years ago. It's because of Netflix DVD renting back in 2009 that I was able to finally watch every episode of Star Trek ever made.
 
So does this mean Georgiou is going to be a serious regular? Did I miss a update? Anyways we all know the future is robots. They will be the only living things that can survive the ravages of climate change or nuclear war.

Jason

I'm surprised at you, Jayson1.

The future is monkeys. Fifty years of Planet of The Apes movies wouldn't steer us wrong.
 
Let's be honest. We all knew this thread was going to end in FIre. Could someone though at least answer my question about Georgiou? Does her going to this meeting or whatever is mean she is now a series regular or is she just going to be in a few episodes, again?

Jason
 
Let's be honest. We all knew this thread was going to end in FIre. Could someone though at least answer my question about Georgiou? Does her going to this meeting or whatever is mean she is now a series regular or is she just going to be in a few episodes, again?

Jason

I assume just a few episodes, probably more than the first season.
 
Let's be honest. We all knew this thread was going to end in FIre. Could someone though at least answer my question about Georgiou? Does her going to this meeting or whatever is mean she is now a series regular or is she just going to be in a few episodes, again?

Jason

Officially no word yet. But I can't imagine the amazing Michelle Yeoh ending her movie career to become a television regular...
But a few guest appereances should totally be in there. Not sure how I feel about that though - I would love more Cpt. Georgiou flashbacks. But I'm not really a fan of Empress Georgiou and er story.
 
I'm surprised at you, Jayson1.

The future is monkeys. Fifty years of Planet of The Apes movies wouldn't steer us wrong.

That would be nice. I'm just glad the future won't be 2016 to 2018. A time period where everyone wants to be back in some past that was never as good as we recall it or a future that will never be as great as people hope for.

Jason
 
Well, the future may or may not be great for the folks living in it. It certainly won't be what people now expect, or in any way fulfill the fantasies they may have invested in from consuming popular fiction about it.
 
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