Best & Worse Uses of Stock Footage

[Samuel]

They only mentioned photon torpedoes specific

MAN, that movie made a lot of dumb decisions.

Agreed. It looks pretty, but it really doesn't have anything to do with the story being told.

Yeah, that scene just makes me think that Geordi and the others are the ones who really need emotion chips installed. Crusher getting pushed overboard was funny as hell. The only way it would not be funny is if she was actually injured. (Which come to think of it, might be a traumatic enough event for Data to believably drive him to install the emotion chip).

...Why? I don't understand why anyone would think that was needed. Do they say they were firing phasers when they're weren't, or something?

They only mentioned photon torpedoes specifically in regards to the seeker torpedo they fired. Otherwise it was only "fire".

Personally I was annoyed that after TWOK we never saw that incarnation of the Enterprise use those really cool pulse phasers again

 

[Captain Clark Terrell]

^Other than the Defiant, which had pulse cannons, no ship that I know of had phasers that fired with that effect.

 

[Saul]

The Klingon Bird of Prey explosion will always pee me off. They could have done anything else to fix that. The Final of DS9 too reused a lot of stock footage for the last big battle, it was a real let down after seeing so many great visuals on the show over the years. I was anticipating something new and instead got the best of...

Best use of stock footage? Something I didn't notice and wasn't glaringly obvious.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Personally I was annoyed that after TWOK we never saw that incarnation of the Enterprise use those really cool pulse phasers again

Isn't that what they're like in the Kelvin Universe, except with all banks spam-firing at once instead of just one or two?

 

[XCV330]

Worst: The TMP dry-dock scenes re-used for TWOK. I realize that the budget for the film was small, but would it have killed them to have at least shot a sequence with the shuttle pod approaching the torpedo bay instead of the engineering section? Sheesh!

I have heard the shuttle pod sequence in TWOK was Meyers way very openly fixing the slowness of Wise's film. I think it works very well. In one sequence he turns on the running lights in a few seconds acc which would have taken 10 minutes of Wise/Goldsmith starship porn.

^Other than the Defiant, which had pulse cannons, no ship that I know of had phasers that fired with that effect.

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[Maurice]

The lights came on only slightly faster in TWOK than TMP. That bit was hardly the worst case of excess in the TMP drydock sequence.

 

[JRoss]

I think the reuse of theklingon ships from TMP in later shows (late Voyager, even!) stretched things too far.

Oh, and because they had the excelsior model since TSFS it got used so much in establishing shots, followed by the fact that the Ambassador class was designed late in the game led to all this fanon that it's a terrible ship, when it's one of the sexiest models they've ever made.

 

[Saul]

Isn't that what they're like in the Kelvin Universe, except with all banks spam-firing at once instead of just one or two?

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They look different to me. The 2009 phasers are less stream like and more Star Wars laser like with a pointy bit at the front of the phaser pulse.

 

[2takesfrakes]

I know fans hate it, but the reuse of TUC's Bird of Prey in GEN never bothered me, in any way. I've just always found it amusing how when the BoP is about to be destroyed, B'Etor looks out at we - the audience - as if it were our fault. But that's entertainment ... what we crave for, inside.

 

[The Old Mixer]

I have to imagine that Klingons find it less honorable to die in a stock shot.

 

[Tuskin38]

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They look different to me. The 2009 phasers are less stream like and more Star Wars laser like with a pointy bit at the front of the phaser pulse.

Discovery's phasers are close to the WoK ones.

 

[Saul]

Discovery's phasers are close to the WoK ones.

USS Discovery? In the clip posted above with the USS Gagarin Discovery has blue phasers that shoot out the same way the Klingon distruptors do.

 

[Tuskin38]

USS Discovery? In the clip posted above with the USS Gagarin Discovery has blue phasers that shoot out the same way the Klingon distruptors do.

It depends on the shot, some shots they stream out. Same with the Klingon ones.

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Anyways I meant more in they shoot in mostly straight lines, they don’t spread like the Kelvin ones

 

[Samuel]

I miss the original series phaser effects. I've seen slightly different versions of them on youtube. And you can still make those type of effects pretty exciting with different camera angles and good sound effects.

 

[Smellmet]

because they had the excelsior model since TSFS

Which, again was used to death - the shot from TUC - the one where Sulu says 'fly her apart then!' was reused in Generations to show the Enterprise-B at warp.

 

[Samuel]

Which, again was used to death - the shot from TUC - the one where Sulu says 'fly her apart then!' was reused in Generations to show the Enterprise-B at warp.

I had forgotten that one.

 

[Smellmet]

Isn't that what they're like in the Kelvin Universe, except with all banks spam-firing at once instead of just one or two?

I thought the phaser fire from the Enterprise E in Nemesis was quite similar to TWOK.

 

[Jedman67]

In regards to "Generations" remember that the destruction of the Bird of Prey as planned was considerably different and made more sense than what appeared onscreen.

You can see in one of the behind the scenes books that they story boarded the Enterprise torpedoes hitting the BOP, it explodes and huge chunks of debris from it slam into the Enterprise's engineering hull, gouging chunks out of it and causing the loss of antimatter containment that eventually destroys the D.

But, the producers wanted to reward Zimmerman for his years of work on TNG so they instead allocated a huge part of the budget to build the Stellar Cartography set that Zimmerman had been dreaming of for years.

Seriously, I don't get how tweaking the "final" vfx and script slightly to indicate the BOP's explosion critically damaging the Enterprise would have cost "that much" more. There were plenty of things wrong with Generations, but blaming it all on the HMS Enterprise (which was quite cool and cinematic, IMO) and Stellar Cartography seems a bit puzzling. It sounds more like someone meddled with screenwriting process.

The stellar cartography set, the HMS Enterprise, and the ultimately unused new GEN uniforms were what blew most of the budget. Michael Okuda mentioned that the Enterprise-B was originally even going to be a new design (along with Lursa and Be'tor's original Klingon ship) before the budget necessitated reusing the Excelsior.

I'm fine with the Enterprise B being an Excelsior; one of the bigger failings of the Trek movies is that the studio's intentionally limited the budgets, hoping for more creative genius like TWOK, on the heels of the budget-bloated and under-performing TMP. What we got is some brilliant movies and a couple of flops that would have been better off as episodes or TV movies.

 

[Prax]

The Motion picture sold the most tickets of any Star Trek movie until 2009, and when adjusted for inflation, remains the highest grossing Trek film.

 

[Butters]

Not a reuse of footage, but how many times did someone say ‘I would kill you where you stand’? Leeta even said it in B5.