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Spoilers Discovery and the Novelverse - TV show discussion thread

Leto_II said:
Some other continuity-stuff from the issue:

  • The Terran Empire is now ruled by Emperor Georgiou's cousin, Prince Alexander, who assumes the imperial throne after Mirror Georgiou is believed deceased following the events of the various TV episodes.
  • The seat of the empire on Earth is located in San Francisco, with a huge palace.
  • Mirror Amanda Grayson is depicted as being a major leader of the Vulcan/Klingon/Andorian/Tellarite resistance movement, which...kinda plays havoc with David Mack's depiction of her in The Sorrows of Empire, as being a very staunch, pro-Imperial collaborator whose family had developed new weapons technologies for the empire (and whom Mirror Spock later has eliminated as a loose end). Although maybe something happens later in the series that would allow these two depictions to be potentially reconciled. T.B.D.
  • Mirror Harry Mudd! Probably the only other depiction of Mirror Mudd that I can even recall was found in the Decipher RPG several years ago, and of course this version is completely incompatible with that one, but what's here is fairly intriguing. Looking forward to seeing where they go with this.
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The second Mirror Story the Kelvin Timeline comics did included a Mirror Harry Mudd.
 
Leto_II said:
All right, so...just finished reading Discovery: Succession #1, and looks like there's at least one huge, honking conflict with the TV show itself. Namely,
the Mirror Joann Owosekun is alive and well on the bridge of the I.S.S. Shenzhou following the Discovery's escape back to the Prime Universe and the destruction of Emperor Georgiou's flagship. She got phaser-disintegrated right onscreen in "What's Past is Prologue." Kirsten is credited as co-writer on this one, but I'm wondering if this issue's script maybe got submitted before the teleplay of "What's Past..." was finalized, and the decision to kill off Mirror Owosekun was made by the TV producers? But she dies again in this issue, so...anyways. She's only identified as "Lt. Owosekun" in the issue, so maybe this was a cousin or identical twin sister?

Some other continuity-stuff from the issue:

  • The Terran Empire is now ruled by Emperor Georgiou's cousin, Prince Alexander, who assumes the imperial throne after Mirror Georgiou is believed deceased following the events of the various TV episodes.
  • The seat of the empire on Earth is located in San Francisco, with a huge palace.
  • Mirror Amanda Grayson is depicted as being a major leader of the Vulcan/Klingon/Andorian/Tellarite resistance movement, which...kinda plays havoc with David Mack's depiction of her in The Sorrows of Empire, as being a very staunch, pro-Imperial collaborator whose family had developed new weapons technologies for the empire (and whom Mirror Spock later has eliminated as a loose end). Although maybe something happens later in the series that would allow these two depictions to be potentially reconciled. T.B.D.
  • Mirror Harry Mudd! Probably the only other depiction of Mirror Mudd that I can even recall was found in the Decipher RPG several years ago, and of course this version is completely incompatible with that one, but what's here is fairly intriguing. Looking forward to seeing where they go with this.
So we'll see what happens with issue #2 -- at one point in this issue,
the Mirror Cornwell says that "[It's] time to end the Georgiou dynasty" (or words to that effect), so there might still be room for Empress Sato II or III to return, here. We'll see.
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So does it actually take place both before and after the episodes then?
 
JD said:
So does it actually take place both before and after the episodes then?
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The first two pages of the issue notwithstanding, it makes the caption of, "This series is set after the events of Star Trek: Discovery season one" (paraphrased) sort of bizarre, since we see
the I.S.S. Shenzhou investigating the I.S.S. Charon wreckage just a couple or few hours after the Discovery made her escape back to her home universe, and the subsequent Prime Universe secret mission to Qo'noS undoubtedly covers some days or weeks afterwards.

Unless maybe those scenes on Earth with Prince Alexander and on Risa in the comic book represent a time-jump to after the events of "Will You Take My Hand?", which would fix this problem. I don't have the issue right at hand, so I can't double-check this.
 
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^I would take it to mean that it's set after the events of the Mirror Universe episodes specifically, since those are the only episodes relevant to the comic. After all, Discovery jumped forward in time nine months when it returned home.
 
Tuskin38 said:
Also I thought Mirror Qo'noS was destroyed. Georgiou called it a blackened ball of dust
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Christopher said:
Could've been exaggeration/propaganda.
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Perhaps a bit of both real-world show writers changing the episode details at the last minute and the Emperor exaggerating.

After all, Qo'noS being destroyed stands very thematically at odds with the Klingon-Cardassian Alliance conquering the Terran Empire less than a century later.
 
Enterprise1701 said:
After all, Qo'noS being destroyed stands very thematically at odds with the Klingon-Cardassian Alliance conquering the Terran Empire less than a century later.
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Why? If anything, destroying the homeworld would just make the surviving Klingons in the rest of the Empire really angry and give them more motivation to conquer the Terrans. Look at how Americans reacted to Pearl Harbor or 9/11. Being attacked usually makes a nation more dangerous, not less.
 
Enterprise1701 said:
Perhaps a bit of both real-world show writers changing the episode details at the last minute and the Emperor exaggerating.

After all, Qo'noS being destroyed stands very thematically at odds with the Klingon-Cardassian Alliance conquering the Terran Empire less than a century later.
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Christopher said:
Why? If anything, destroying the homeworld would just make the surviving Klingons in the rest of the Empire really angry and give them more motivation to conquer the Terrans. Look at how Americans reacted to Pearl Harbor or 9/11. Being attacked usually makes a nation more dangerous, not less.
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It would also make sense that they'd have to ally themselves with someone else, such as Cardassia, to do this.
 
New trailer for Discovery season two:

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...And a very interesting spoiler-image from the trailer:

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Looks like we're getting at least some variation on the "Cage"-era uniforms, here. Which seems to track with Desperate Hours to a certain extent, going by what is visible here. Thought maybe they might just use the same uniforms as the Disco and the Shenzhou, but they seem to consciously be channelling TOS, here. Also, love Pike's hair, here -- he definitely resembles Jeffrey Hunter from behind.
 
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At this point we just have to accept that Starfleet is run by fashion designers. I mean, seriously, which military organistation has major uniform revamps every three months?
 
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