I wish I hadn't known about the cameo beforehand, probably would have had a heart attack from laughin.
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Plausible, certainly. But hypothetically, if Thawne is impersonating Harry, it could be that he's faking the frustration as an excuse for his attempts to replicate the Thinking Cap, and for being more aloof from the others than usual. They'd just assume he's "not himself" because of the stress and not realize that he's actually not himself. At this point, it could go either way.
We did see Harry directly share his memories and emotions of Jesse's mother with her. That must have been the real Harry. So if Thawne is impersonating Harry, it must have happened after the memory sharing.
Which fits, because Harry's creation of the Thinking Cap was in the very next episode.
And it would explain how Harry was evidently able to recreate the Cap from just a glimpse at its outward appearance. We saw in flashback that Thawne-Wells was aware of DeVoe and interested in his work. Maybe he salvaged and studied the original Thinking Cap after DeVoe used it.
It's definitely an interesting theory.
Barry's gotta think faster if he wants to get DeVoe.
Now, will they get back everyone? Or just Ralph and Killer Frost?
And yay, we got the original DeVoe actor back.
Now, will they get back everyone? Or just Ralph and Killer Frost?
And yay, we got the original DeVoe actor back.
I think they've got to be able to get Ralph back somehow, though he may be the only one, since his body is still alive. It would be nice if the others could somehow be restored, but most of them have been dead for a while and their bodies are probably no longer in a repairable condition.
I kinda preferred Izzy. She was lovely. And a lot better acting-wise than Dominic.
It occurs to me that when you're dealing with a foe that can out-think you, the best response may be to stop thinking at all. Say, instead of sending out teams by whatever logic they use, cut cards for it. They can't know what you're doing if you don't know what you're doing.
I think they rely a bit too much on the handwave "supersmarts = can do anything" sometimes. Like, last week, the computer file on the Weeper made it pretty clear that he was consciously created to fulfill a certain function. That means that DeVoe was somehow able to tailor the dark-matter exposure of all 12 bus passengers to predetermine what powers they would get. How could he possibly have done that? Unless the powers are somehow determined by the subject's physiology or mental state, I guess. We've seen that metahuman powers sometimes correlate with what someone was doing at the moment they were hit by the dark matter wave -- for instance, Dinah Drake was screaming when it hit her and she got a Canary Cry, and there was that guy who fell in a vat of cement when he was exposed and got cement powers, or whatever. But with the bus metas, it often seems to be more personality-related. The computer hacker became a technopath. The perpetually unlucky girl got super-luck powers. The country singer got sonic powers. Although it was more material in a couple of cases. The nuclear guy was a driver of nuclear waste trucks, so maybe he had some trace contamination. And Dwarfstar was carrying a piece of stolen dwarf star matter from PalmerTech at the time. I guess DeVoe could've arranged for them to be on that bus at that moment, but they aren't all that easy to explain. I mean, why did an unscrupulous private detective gain shapeshifting powers?
The actor who played Gauss looked amazingly like an older version of Cisco. He could be Carlos Valdes' brother in real life. 
His power wasn't that much different from Cisco's in that he could teleport anywhere. I was expecting something entirely different, but I suppose it served as a plot device.
His power wasn't that much different from Cisco's in that he could teleport anywhere. I was expecting something entirely different, but I suppose it served as a plot device.Well, before he was just morally flexible.
[QUOTE="Christopher, post: 12434988, member: 295"why did an unscrupulous private detective gain shapeshifting powers?[/QUOTE]
Because he was shifty?
Because he was shifty?
Great episode! Loved the enterprise cameo and Cisco doing his best Scotty impression. We also got some nice character moments with Ralph and Barry. We also got some very cool action sequences. This episode also showed why The Thinker is a formidable foe as he really did outsmart Team Flash completely. Best part of the episode was using Ralph's shape shifting abilities to bring back the original actor to play DeVoe. I love his portrayal of DeVoe/The Thinker. So happy to have him back to play the villain in the final episodes.
Questions/speculations:
1) Did Harry lose his intelligence as a result of The Thinker stealing the Dark Matter when he was in the middle of using it in his thinking cap? I ask because he seemed dumb in that scene in the med lab when he could not remember what to do.
2) I like Christopher's idea that The Thinker's plan involves mass mind control. I think that device we saw on the screen uses the stolen Dark Matter to enable The Thinker to mass mind control the whole population and that's his master plan: Enlightenment is where he controls the entire population. The Thinker believes that only a master intelligence such as himself is capable of solving all of Humanities' problems and that can only happen when he controls everybody to force them to make the "right choices".
My only 2 nitpicks are:
1) Barry's plans and leadership kinda suck. Time and time again, he tries the direct assault approach against The Thinker. Surely, he has to know that such a simple tactic won't work against a master strategist like The Thinker! His plan this episode to basically just waltz in the proverbial front door of The Thinker's lair was terrible. A direct frontal assault is the simplest and most basic military tactic. You gotta do better than that against someone as intelligent as The Thinker! And why doesn't Star Labs still not have any defenses at all? Why did Team Flash not prepare Star Labs against The Thinker showing up there? And Iris had a super powerful explosive hidden in her earring? WHAT?!?! Wouldn't that be super dangerous?
2) I can forgive Caitlin healing so fast from the sword piercing her shoulder since she is a metahuman and the ep explicitly tells us that she uses Killer Frost's abilities to slow the injury but Iris too? She took a sword straight through her shoulder. That should be a big deal, not a 15 second scene in the medlab where she gets all bandaged up and goes "I'm good".
Questions/speculations:
1) Did Harry lose his intelligence as a result of The Thinker stealing the Dark Matter when he was in the middle of using it in his thinking cap? I ask because he seemed dumb in that scene in the med lab when he could not remember what to do.
2) I like Christopher's idea that The Thinker's plan involves mass mind control. I think that device we saw on the screen uses the stolen Dark Matter to enable The Thinker to mass mind control the whole population and that's his master plan: Enlightenment is where he controls the entire population. The Thinker believes that only a master intelligence such as himself is capable of solving all of Humanities' problems and that can only happen when he controls everybody to force them to make the "right choices".
My only 2 nitpicks are:
1) Barry's plans and leadership kinda suck. Time and time again, he tries the direct assault approach against The Thinker. Surely, he has to know that such a simple tactic won't work against a master strategist like The Thinker! His plan this episode to basically just waltz in the proverbial front door of The Thinker's lair was terrible. A direct frontal assault is the simplest and most basic military tactic. You gotta do better than that against someone as intelligent as The Thinker! And why doesn't Star Labs still not have any defenses at all? Why did Team Flash not prepare Star Labs against The Thinker showing up there? And Iris had a super powerful explosive hidden in her earring? WHAT?!?! Wouldn't that be super dangerous?
2) I can forgive Caitlin healing so fast from the sword piercing her shoulder since she is a metahuman and the ep explicitly tells us that she uses Killer Frost's abilities to slow the injury but Iris too? She took a sword straight through her shoulder. That should be a big deal, not a 15 second scene in the medlab where she gets all bandaged up and goes "I'm good".
Though it's a bit odd that a Warner Bros. show is able to show the TOS Enterprise design onscreen but the actual current Star Trek TV series apparently can't...
I suppose that explains why DeVoe gave Ralph that power to begin with. I wasn't clear on why a stretchy guy would be useful to his plans. But since the show has reinterpreted the Elongated Man as a full-on shapeshifter, that makes more sense of it. DeVoe knew he'd be stealing other metahumans' bodies, and he wanted to be able to recreate his own appearance. And apparently Ralph's nigh-indestructible body makes him immune to the deterioration that afflicted the others. That's probably why he saved Ralph for last.
Although he's only second-last, isn't he? Fallout is still out there. Given that the whole "living nuclear bomb" thing is more a curse than a blessing, maybe DeVoe never wanted to absorb his power but is just planning to use him as some sort of power source for "the Enlightenment." Anyway, it looks like we'll learn more about that next week.
I don't remember the specific moment you're referring to, but Harry's been calling himself dumb for weeks because he hasn't been able to match the Thinker's supergenius. That's just frustration and lack of confidence.
I think it did. They said that the DeVoes concealed their entry into STAR Labs by waiting until the exact moment that Gauss folded the heroes into the Thinker's lair, so that they could conceal the signature of their pocket dimension from the team's sensors. That must mean they couldn't have just popped in anytime without setting off alerts or countermeasures.
You could say the same about a lot of the stuff that James Bond and Batman carry around with them all the time.
Although for a moment, I thought the device in her earring might be some kind of breach extrapolator like the one Cisco gave Supergirl, and that they could use it to breach out of the room rather than blowing the door. I mean, if it was so easy for Cisco to make that small device for Kara, why doesn't he make more?
Though it's a bit odd that a Warner Bros. show is able to show the TOS Enterprise design onscreen but the actual current Star Trek TV series apparently can't...
It is odd. Maybe there is a legal difference between how the two shows use the Enterprise? Cisco was just working on a scale model of the Enterprise. So it was more like a product placement. It would be akin to a character having a Star Trek poster on their wall. But in Discovery, the Enterprise would be a "character" on the show.
It was the scene towards the very end of the episode where Caitlin reveals that Killer Frost is gone. Cisco asks Harry to hand him the dark matter scanner and Harry looks confused like he does not remember what it looks like.
Yeah, I was being largely facetious. Still, there are trademark limitations and such that affect how much one franchise can use from another. It's one thing to have characters talk about movies and TV shows from a different studio, but to actually show their trademarked elements, I'd think, would require some kind of licensing fee.
It just occurred to me that they not just showed the Enterprise, they also destroyed it. Maybe a nod to the times that the Enterprise was destroyed in the movies?
Nah, it was just a beat to show how far gone Harry was that he'd destroy something his friend had worked so hard on. It would've played out the same way if it had been a model of the Millennium Falcon or Godzilla or whatever.
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