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Do you consider yourself left wing or right wing?


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Wealthy nations like Germany and Japan are worried about the reverse, their death rates exceeds their birth rates, plus humans are living longer.
 
My main point is that as soon as some hear the word socialism they think of communism rather that the model of socialism used in places like Western Europe, so are instantly hostile to the notion that there are some areas which might be beneficial for most if not all i.e. National Healthcare. Is it perfect no of course not, but then what system is?
Oh yeah I'm a big supporter of national health care, have it in my country and wouldn't trade it for anything.

Unfortunately there are people kind of the opposite of what you are describing, like @Donker , who hear the word socialism and think that everything associated with it is wonderful and will automatically cure all of humanity's woes, while willfully ignoring the harsh realities of its monumental failures when implemented in the same way that Venezuela, for instance, has done it.
 
I'm interested in what you would consider Luddite, how far back and how much would have to be avoided? Would it be a bad thing if a lot of people avoided the newest tech like blu-ray players, smart phones (or even cell phones), microwaves, thought their older precursors are still good enough?

To me a Luddite today is anyone that has an irrational fear of technology and that it can help people in their daily lives as well as be a burden, it's all down to what people do with modern technology. It's nothing to be feared.
 
To me a Luddite today is anyone that has an irrational fear of technology and that it can help people in their daily lives as well as be a burden, it's all down to what people do with modern technology. It's nothing to be feared.

Clearly you have not been watching "Black Mirror." Say that now but will you be saying it when your trapped in a Teddy Bear!:)

Jason
 
Unfortunately, none of the choices offered in the poll fit me.

My answer to the question is, "No."

I am proudly and fiercely Centrist.

And while the "Political Compass" 2-dimensional diagrams are a major improvement over a one-dimensional political spectrum (and astronomically improved over a binary "Left or Right" paradigm), it's still deeply flawed, because:
1. Left/Right is relative to a particular time, place, and culture, whereas an axis must, by definition, be fixed and absolute (and must pass through the origin), and
2. I've personally counted at least four mutually perpendicular dimensions of political space (libertarian/authoritarian, regulatarian/deregulatarian, elitist/populist, and theocratarian/atheocratarian), and there are probably more than that.
 
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2. I've personally counted at least four mutually perpendicular dimensions of political space (libertarian/authoritarian, regulatarian/deregulatarian, elitist/populist, and theocratarian/atheocratarian), and there are probably more than that.

A key axis is open/closed -- some are on the closed side, less migration, more tarrifs, more nationalist, generally isolationalist. Others are more open -- global village, citizen of the world, etc. Doesn't really fit into any of your axes.
 
A key axis is open/closed -- some are on the closed side, less migration, more tarrifs, more nationalist, generally isolationalist. Others are more open -- global village, citizen of the world, etc. Doesn't really fit into any of your axes.
Thank you. I think you've found another one that passes the test of perpendicularity with all the other axes. (I did say, "at least four, probably more than that.")

And as it happens, I'm close to the origin on that axis as well.

And if anybody doubts the perpendicularity of "regulatarian/deregulatarian" ("government in the boardroom") and "libertarian/authoritarian" (government in the bedroom"), just consider that current Democratic policy tends to be moderately libertarian and moderately regulatarian, while current Republican policy tends to be moderately to strongly authoritarian and strongly to fanatically deregulatarian, and current Libertarian Party policy tends to be moderately to strongly libertarian, and fanatically deregulatarian.
 
String theory and politics - which has more dimensions?

One thing's for sure, Khan wouldn't survive!
This Is oddly congruous, and I bet I catch hell, but...

My mother made the observation that the biggest word that man uses is 'crooked'...
So much for 'IQ'....

Take that as you will.

:lol:
 
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Thank you. I think you've found another one that passes the test of perpendicularity with all the other axes. (I did say, "at least four, probably more than that.")

And as it happens, I'm close to the origin on that axis as well.

And if anybody doubts the perpendicularity of "regulatarian/deregulatarian" ("government in the boardroom") and "libertarian/authoritarian" (government in the bedroom"), just consider that current Democratic policy tends to be moderately libertarian and moderately regulatarian, while current Republican policy tends to be moderately to strongly authoritarian and strongly to fanatically deregulatarian, and current Libertarian Party policy tends to be moderately to strongly libertarian, and fanatically deregulatarian.

Or in other words

DEM - More personal freedom, more regulation of business (Government in the boardroom)
GOP - Less Personal freedom, less regulation of business. (Government in the bedroom)

I think I know which I prefer that the Government keeps out of my business and doesn't decide who I can and can't marry etc..

String theory and politics - which has more dimensions?

One thing's for sure, Khan wouldn't survive!

Surely it's Politics , with Politicians trying to find new ways to screw the electorate
 
Remember, Folk, that the Keepers of the Law condemned Yaisuah ap Marian, also
known as Esau ap Nazareth....
Remember this as you debate your details...
 
I did not vote the last presidential election, as I'd found both candidates to be equally appalling. I consider myself a Republican, as I favour lower taxes and less government spending on social programs -- as well as the right of the people to keep and bear Arms. My grandfather was a hunter, as are my father and his brothers. Whilst I don't hunt, my father has assured me that he's willed me my grandfather's gun collection (knowing how much I idolised him, growing up). After High School, I gave serious consideration to joining The Young Republican National Federation, as I found myself flirting with political ambitions and because of the social events they hosted. But I decided to follow my real passion, instead, and studied Fine Art. Unfortunately, The Art World often swings far left and whilst I'm not inundated with it constantly, sooner-or-later, this tends to crop up and I'll find myself having to maneuver through the unsavoury aspects of it. Otherwise, it has no affect on me, whatever, and I tend to keep my personal views close to the vest, however pragmatic they may be.
 
Oh yeah I'm a big supporter of national health care, have it in my country and wouldn't trade it for anything.

Unfortunately there are people kind of the opposite of what you are describing, like @Donker , who hear the word socialism and think that everything associated with it is wonderful and will automatically cure all of humanity's woes, while willfully ignoring the harsh realities of its monumental failures when implemented in the same way that Venezuela, for instance, has done it.
It's my understanding that socialism done wrong ends up communism. Now, this was from a
high school social studies teacher in the '70s. My interest doesn't go so far as to actually read any manifestos
and such, so....

:shrug:

Voulez vous Les bon temps roulle!
(My social studies teach was also my French teach!)

:beer:
 
Socialism tends to become communism because people don’t like giving up power when they get it. It might work, if not for humans being crappy.

Then why does Socialism tend to work in places like Western Europe, Oceania, Canada etc...

Sure some people when they get into power will engage in things like gerrymandering, voter suppression, imposing restrictions on voters etc...
 
Then why does Socialism tend to work in places like Western Europe, Oceania, Canada etc...

Socialism is just a word, typically used to attack or rally. To some it means Soviet style countries, to others Venesuala, to others Sweden, to others the UK.

Given the definition is in the eye of the beholder, it's hard to have a civil debate.
 
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