Spoilers DC's Legends of Tomorrow - Season 3

[Christopher]

I think the very fact that they're keeping Ava suggests that they want to keep the Time Bureau around as well, that they think it's worked out and is worth keeping. It does make sense to give the Legends a more orderly temporal authority to serve as a foil to their renegade antics.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

I like the Ava character but she does seem a bit redundant without her being an obstacle within the time bureau. We already have a kick ass blonde chick with no powers and she also tames Sara's promiscuous side which was a part of a lot of stories. And for that matter it seems John Constantine is kind of an oddball fit with his area of expertise and he doesn't really strike me as a team player type. It will be interesting to see what direction they take the stories next season.

 

[Jayson1]

I can see that. I was thinking about what season 2 might be about. Could it be them trying to stop the fall of society that we know is coming? Also I could see Ava being a bad guy next season or that company from the future that makes Ava clones. What if they spent a year mostly going to future settings instead of stuff in the past? Basically do what "Quantum Leap" was going to do all those years ago if it had been brought back.

Jason

 

[Marc]

I like the Ava character but she does seem a bit redundant without her being an obstacle within the time bureau. We already have a kick ass blonde chick with no powers and she also tames Sara's promiscuous side which was a part of a lot of stories. And for that matter it seems John Constantine is kind of an oddball fit with his area of expertise and he doesn't really strike me as a team player type. It will be interesting to see what direction they take the stories next season.

She could be a reverse obstacle.

Stopping the time bureau getting in the way of the legends instead of trying to stop Sara and Co.

 

[Christopher]

I like the Ava character but she does seem a bit redundant without her being an obstacle within the time bureau.

She could still pose an obstacle. She may not have a personal vendetta against the Legends anymore, but she's still a professional who takes her responsibilities seriously, and so she could still have a clash with the Legends over priorities or methods. The fact that she's in love with the Legends' captain would just make it more of an inner conflict when she had to go against them. Think of the times on Arrow when Diggle and Lyla have found themselves at odds.

she also tames Sara's promiscuous side which was a part of a lot of stories.

It was a running gag, but rarely a central story beat. And in her time on Arrow, she was in a steady relationship with Nyssa, so it's not like sleeping around is her defining trait.

Anyway, characters should change over time. If Sara hasn't had a steady relationship before on this show, that's a good reason to give her one now.

And for that matter it seems John Constantine is kind of an oddball fit with his area of expertise and he doesn't really strike me as a team player type.

The Legends have always been an unlikely mix of character types. That's part of what defines the show. As for not being a team player, neither is Mick Rory. Neither was Zari until Gideon time-looped her.

 

[thribs]

Damien Darhk needs to show up in the comics. The exact same version as well.

 

[Romulan_spy]

I like the Ava character but she does seem a bit redundant without her being an obstacle within the time bureau.

I think the obstacle will come from Ava and the Legends disagreeing on tactics and methods. Ava is a by-the-book bureaucrat. She will insist that the team follow time bureau protocol. The Legends are the complete opposite. They are reckless, impulsive, fly by the seat of your pants anti-heroes who don't like to follow rules.

And for that matter it seems John Constantine is kind of an oddball fit with his area of expertise and he doesn't really strike me as a team player type. It will be interesting to see what direction they take the stories next season.

The only way Constantine fits in the show is if the next season deals with a lot of magic and supernatural threats. Presumably, the show's producers intend to continue that theme of magic and supernatural onward. I hope I am wrong because I don't like shows about the supernatural. I would prefer if Legends stuck with wacky time travel and non-supernatural villains.

 

[Christopher]

The only way Constantine fits in the show is if the next season deals with a lot of magic and supernatural threats.

Not necessarily. Vixen's powers are rooted in magic, but she was still part of the team versus the Legion of Doom in season 2. I mean, you could just as well say that a tech-based hero like Ray doesn't fit into this season's supernatural focus, but they've managed to make good use of him, both by having him develop tech to fight magic and, more importantly, by focusing on who he is as a person rather than just what he can do. Constantine isn't just a guy who does magic, he's a deeply screwed-up, morally challenged antihero with a ton of personal baggage. There are plenty of ways to get stories out of that regardless of the nature of the threat.

I mean, sure, the most obvious answer to why he becomes a permanent team member in the first place would be to combat a supernatural threat, but there could be some other reason he joins. Maybe he just gets in really deep trouble on 2018 Earth and decides the Waverider could be a good place to hide from his enemies. Or maybe he's hoping he can use time travel to undo his mistake with Astra Logue, to save her soul and his own. Or maybe he figures that if he does enough good deeds as a Legend, he could earn his way out of damnation. (Which was basically his motivation for helping people on the NBC series -- perhaps he decides that helping individuals hasn't done enough to earn redemption, so helping to save the world and all of history could have more impact.)

 

[Greg Cox]

And, hey, if Zatanna can be in the Justice League, why not?

Heck, Dr. Fate and the Spectre were members of the original JSA.

 

[Morpheus 02]

TO be honest...i am kinda annoyed at the whole time travel concept for Legends...i mean, it worked for the 1st season, but for me, it seemed to work better as a vechicle for secondary characters that wouldn't be able to carry a show.

And i would have liked a rotation -- not just of cast but also themes. So a Supernatural season (pun intended) would be great, along with appropriate characters...but then they ought to switch it up after that.

 

[JD]

With the clone stuff you could actually have two Ava's next season. One on the ship and one at the Time Bureau. That's all assuming they are going to keep the Time Bureau concept alive for next season. I could see them doing something else next year though I am guessing they will still want to keep using the Gary character in some fashion. I am kind of curious what the main arc will be for next season. Could they do a season without time travel? I once heard that time travel wasn't going to be used quite like it has become to be used on the show.

Jason

I can't really see them stepping away from time travel since that is a big part of the whole concept of the show.

The only way Constantine fits in the show is if the next season deals with a lot of magic and supernatural threats. Presumably, the show's producers intend to continue that theme of magic and supernatural onward. I hope I am wrong because I don't like shows about the supernatural. I would prefer if Legends stuck with wacky time travel and non-supernatural villains.

I really hope they do continue to focus on the supernatural stuff next season. We already have The Flash to deal with all of the sciency stuff, so having the Legends focus on supernatural stuff would be a nice way to keep feeling unique. The supernatural stuff is a big part of the DCU and the shows have barely scratched the surface, I would love to see them explore more of it.

Not necessarily. Vixen's powers are rooted in magic, but she was still part of the team versus the Legion of Doom in season 2. I mean, you could just as well say that a tech-based hero like Ray doesn't fit into this season's supernatural focus, but they've managed to make good use of him, both by having him develop tech to fight magic and, more importantly, by focusing on who he is as a person rather than just what he can do. Constantine isn't just a guy who does magic, he's a deeply screwed-up, morally challenged antihero with a ton of personal baggage. There are plenty of ways to get stories out of that regardless of the nature of the threat.

I mean, sure, the most obvious answer to why he becomes a permanent team member in the first place would be to combat a supernatural threat, but there could be some other reason he joins. Maybe he just gets in really deep trouble on 2018 Earth and decides the Waverider could be a good place to hide from his enemies. Or maybe he's hoping he can use time travel to undo his mistake with Astra Logue, to save her soul and his own. Or maybe he figures that if he does enough good deeds as a Legend, he could earn his way out of damnation. (Which was basically his motivation for helping people on the NBC series -- perhaps he decides that helping individuals hasn't done enough to earn redemption, so helping to save the world and all of history could have more impact.)

I could see any of those being a good possibility for why he sticks around.

Heck, Dr. Fate and the Spectre were members of the original JSA.

I would love to see those two and Zattana pop up on Legends. They introduced demon possession this season, so maybe they could also toss Etrigan and Jason Blood in there somewhere.

 

[Christopher]

I would love to see those two and Zattana pop up on Legends. They introduced demon possession this season, so maybe they could also toss Etrigan and Jason Blood in there somewhere.

I don't want this to turn into Justice League Dark. This is a time-travel show, first and foremost. They did a time-travel demon this year, but it'd be clumsy and repetitive if all their enemies from now on were time-travel demons somehow. In a medium as eclectic as comics, it's possible to keep around the occasional mystical element without having the entire show be about the supernatural -- just like Arrow is able to sustain a couple of metahuman regulars even though it's mainly a show about non-superpowered heroes and villains.

 

[Romulan_spy]

Not necessarily. Vixen's powers are rooted in magic, but she was still part of the team versus the Legion of Doom in season 2. I mean, you could just as well say that a tech-based hero like Ray doesn't fit into this season's supernatural focus, but they've managed to make good use of him, both by having him develop tech to fight magic and, more importantly, by focusing on who he is as a person rather than just what he can do. Constantine isn't just a guy who does magic, he's a deeply screwed-up, morally challenged antihero with a ton of personal baggage. There are plenty of ways to get stories out of that regardless of the nature of the threat.

I mean, sure, the most obvious answer to why he becomes a permanent team member in the first place would be to combat a supernatural threat, but there could be some other reason he joins. Maybe he just gets in really deep trouble on 2018 Earth and decides the Waverider could be a good place to hide from his enemies. Or maybe he's hoping he can use time travel to undo his mistake with Astra Logue, to save her soul and his own. Or maybe he figures that if he does enough good deeds as a Legend, he could earn his way out of damnation. (Which was basically his motivation for helping people on the NBC series -- perhaps he decides that helping individuals hasn't done enough to earn redemption, so helping to save the world and all of history could have more impact.)

All valid points. You are absolutely right that they can still do character pieces based on his messed up past. I guess I was just thinking of the obvious: Constantine's primary ability is exorcism so it would make sense to make him a regular if there are going to be magical threats that would require that expertise.

 

[Christopher]

I guess I was just thinking of the obvious: Constantine's primary ability is exorcism so it would make sense to make him a regular if there are going to be magical threats that would require that expertise.

Sometimes the more interesting thing to do is to take a character out of their comfort zone and force them to learn something new. Sara's an ex-assassin who had to learn to be a captain and team leader. Rory's a thief and killer who's slowly learned to be a hero. Amaya's a hardass Justice Society fighter who's had to learn to loosen up, as well as adjusting to modernity. Ava's had a similar arc of her own. This show's all about taking characters out of their comfort zones.

 

[Kai "the spy"]

I would love to see those two and Zattana pop up on Legends. They introduced demon possession this season, so maybe they could also toss Etrigan and Jason Blood in there somewhere.

With a re-worked origin, though, as the Arrow-verse's Camelot and Merlin are very different from the DC Comics' versions.

 

[Guy Gardener]

The Spear of Destiny aside, it's possible that the Spectre and Dr Fate didn't care who won WWII.

 

[Morpheus 02]

I don't want this to turn into Justice League Dark. This is a time-travel show, first and foremost. They did a time-travel demon this year, but it'd be clumsy and repetitive if all their enemies from now on were time-travel demons somehow. In a medium as eclectic as comics, it's possible to keep around the occasional mystical element without having the entire show be about the supernatural -- just like Arrow is able to sustain a couple of metahuman regulars even though it's mainly a show about non-superpowered heroes and villains.

I disagree. This is a goofy comic book show FOREMOST. On the spectrum of DC TV, it is the least serious.I am not saying that is bad...but if you were doing a Venn Diagram of audiences, non-overlapping part of their circle would be very distinct from .Black Lightning's

 

[Christopher]

With a re-worked origin, though, as the Arrow-verse's Camelot and Merlin are very different from the DC Comics' versions.

Unless they decide to ignore what they established before and do it anyway, like they've been doing with US Presidents lately.

For what it's worth, the version of Camelot that Stargirl created was based on the Arthurian legends she knew from the 1940s. So maybe those legends were based on an earlier (or later?), more genuine version of Camelot.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Heck, Dr. Fate and the Spectre were members of the original JSA.

As were Johnny Thunder ( and his genie) and Green Lantern ( and his magic ring)

 

[Shamrock Holmes]

For what it's worth, the version of Camelot that Stargirl created was based on the Arthurian legends she knew from the 1940s. So maybe those legends were based on an earlier (or later?), more genuine version of Camelot.

I don't recall the details, but I believe there is some basis for the this in the comics as Sir Justin and Ystina definately come from different Camelots and there some details of Jason Blood's story that don't necessarily mesh with theirs either.