He probably sprained his neck and dislocated his thumb...
CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar
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"in production" has a very specific meaning in the film biz, and it means largely the main crew has been hired and you have started principle photography.
"Pre-production" is before production but after greenlight, which means the film is a "go" and the funds have been released to the production to hire people do all the prep (secure locations, design, build sets and costumes, etc.) necessary before production starts.
"In development" covers everything from the first LOI being signed until greenlight.
So, no, scribbling ideas down falls far short of "in production:"
"Pre-production" is before production but after greenlight, which means the film is a "go" and the funds have been released to the production to hire people do all the prep (secure locations, design, build sets and costumes, etc.) necessary before production starts.
"In development" covers everything from the first LOI being signed until greenlight.
So, no, scribbling ideas down falls far short of "in production:"
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How he puts up with me, I have no clue....lol
I'm sure I remember Vic stating that they hadn't filmed all the episodes at the time the guidelines dropped - this was one of the controversial points about them deciding to push on and produce the final batch.
In fact, I think they were still in the middle of a fundraising Indigogo campaign, weren't they?
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/star-trek-continues#/updates/all
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I think the Indiegogo campaign had already finished by the time the guidelines came down, so the question of funding was not going to be an issue since the money had already been raised.
I think you are right, but there was not a lot of time between the two events. Here's an update on the page, dated 30th June 2016:
So, money was raised but they were most definitely not finished filming on the final episodes!
ah, that’s right. Vic decided that they should spend the money for the reasons it was intended rather than refunds, and I guess CBS saw the merit in that given his previous good record.
Folks this really shouldn't be a mystery. CBS dropped the hammer on people who wanted to be jerks. They're taking a softer line with people who are trying to work with them...even people that might reasonably be expected to know better. I think the one line that will bring down the wrath of CBS is trying to make money.
STC was obviously not in competition with CBS. They were upfront about their intent, and I assume they were in contact with CBS every step of the way. Vic said repeatedly that if CBS asked, they would slam on the brakes. They were allowed to proceed, again I assume under scrutiny, and finished up as promised.
The building and sets have now been passed on to a new entity. Hopefully we'll see new productions from that facility with the same quality as STC.
There's no comparison between STC and Axahasbeen. One delivered as promised, the other has not and probably never will.
The building and sets have now been passed on to a new entity. Hopefully we'll see new productions from that facility with the same quality as STC.
There's no comparison between STC and Axahasbeen. One delivered as promised, the other has not and probably never will.
Which is I why have had enough of the whining about how "unfairly" LFIM has been treated by the nasty thugs at CBS.
@urbandefault, pretty much agree with everything you just said. Just have one comment...
I would agree, but I would point out that if you believe that non-profit fan films can compete with CBS, then STC most certainly was competing with CBS. You can't take that position and just give STC a pass. I don't have a problem with STC, but that's because I believe that non-profit fan films are, on the whole, beneficial to the franchise and only compete in that they create an absolute floor of quality that CBS can't (and probably never would) dip below. In other words, I think fan films like those made by Trek Continues are only a threat to CBS if the company basically just stopped trying.
@Matthew Raymond : And there goes your argument. "...if you believe that non-profit fan films can compete with CBS, then STC most certainly was competing with CBS."
Nobody reasonable believes that, except maybe you for yourself. But with your assumption you create an argument that's not based on what has happened.
Nobody reasonable believes that, except maybe you for yourself. But with your assumption you create an argument that's not based on what has happened.
Careful. Some people love quoting Wikipedia articles on "logical fallacies."
@Jedi_Master : "logical fallacies", those were the words I was looking for. That's what it means for me to be German. Babbling around... 
Thanks, man!
Thanks, man!
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I am sure German has a compound word for "fool who spends too much time arguing on the Internet whilst wearing a fedora"@Jedi_Master : "logical fallacies", those were the words I was looking for. That's what it means for me to be German. Babbling around...
Thanks, man!
Well, at least German has the same first and last name for "fool who spends too much time arguing on the Internet instead of producing a film".
Troll away. I have no problem with using links to Wikipedia articles when calling people out on their lack of logic.
Argumentum ad populum. How many people believe it is irrelevant to whether or not it's a valid argument.
Your statement doesn't make any sense, because you state neither the assumption in my argument, nor what you consider to have happened that it's supposedly not based on. Here's a simple way to refute my argument for real: Explain how simultaneously STC does not compete with CBS while a different non-profit fan film of similar or lesser scale and resources would compete with CBS.
That's an easy one! ;-)
Almost no fan film competed with CBS, with ONE major exception: A fully independent, professional production, that gave way for the title of this thread. Alec Peters still argues, that Axanar got the lawsuit because of their competing quality.
Case closed, thread thankfully still open! ;-)
Almost no fan film competed with CBS, with ONE major exception: A fully independent, professional production, that gave way for the title of this thread. Alec Peters still argues, that Axanar got the lawsuit because of their competing quality.
Case closed, thread thankfully still open! ;-)
I was specifically referring to non-profit fan films. Your argument is a straw man. Not even a good one, because it's more based on AP's claims of competition than the real thing. Or are you claiming that the Vulcan scene holds up to any scene from Star Trek: Discovery, for example?
I don't know why you keep confusing opinions with facts...?
The competiton thing is just your opinion, nothing more. I wouldn't claim anything but my due dilligence regarding fan films and the Axanar case. Do yours, please. Seriously!
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