As a woman I find men whining about getting to see some actress nude to be pathetic. That behavior is probably why they’ve been reduced to just seeing a nude woman on TV, they can’t say “go away creep”.
Nah. I part ways there..kinda (I do not actually want nudity in s2)
If an adult person wishes to be naked as a part of a work of art, that’s up to them and the artist. If it’s art, there’s no seediness except the projections of someone viewing the art. There’s a discussion around the male gaze (something I think only really comes in around photographed art..or screen obviously...which covers DSC) obviously, but in general, that way lays the path of mad puritanical censorship. (With the obvious exceptions of ensuring its suitable for its audience, and that its audience are adults.) we shouldn’t strip artists of their agency under the pretense of protecting it.
That said...no thanks. Teenage me had to live with the Starfleet issue sweaty vests, and this generation will just have to do the same.
Nah. I part ways there..kinda (I do not actually want nudity in s2)
If an adult person wishes to be naked as a part of a work of art, that’s up to them and the artist. If it’s art, there’s no seediness except the projections of someone viewing the art. There’s a discussion around the male gaze (something I think only really comes in around photographed art..or screen obviously...which covers DSC) obviously, but in general, that way lays the path of mad puritanical censorship. (With the obvious exceptions of ensuring its suitable for its audience, and that its audience are adults.) we shouldn’t strip artists of their agency under the pretense of protecting it.
That said...no thanks. Teenage me had to live with the Starfleet issue sweaty vests, and this generation will just have to do the same.
Exactly.Actually they have exactly the same rights as everybody else. Including that to exercise control over their own bodies.
Judging by here, I don't think DSC should show nudity. The audience watching -- as a whole -- isn't ready for it.
Nudity should be a non-issue that people are comfortable with an not embarrassed by. It also shouldn't matter who is seen naked. Gender, age, or physical build. That's not where the audience is. I don't even think it's where the writers or producers are.
To quote Ilia, "I would never take advantage of an immature species". Or, in this case, an immature audience.
She didn't say that in the movie.
Decker: I'm sure the Captain didn't mean anything personal.
Lt. Ilia: I would never take advantage of a sexually immature species. You can assure him that's the truth, can't you?
What she actually said was "no Mr Roddenberry, I won't appear nude on screen, no mater how much you shout at me in front of these people"
I said others, I didn't direct it at you. But you were personally insulted (and I think we can all speculate why).![]()
First off, she's not a mod in this forum, so don't play the "should a mod do this" card. She's just another poster here like anyone else.
Secondly, nothing she said broke any rules.
You've been posting toxic rhetoric all over the forum and that post was objectionable to you? Give me a break.
Judging by this thread, this does appear to be accurate.Or, in this case, an immature audience.
I stand by that too. If you want to publically judge others, you should subject yourself to the same. Not doing so seems cowardly to me, like a bully jealous of others.I wasn't. You literally asked me to post pictures. That's quite direct.
So it's the victim's fault? Classy.
Yeah but that usually involves them doing something wrong. Taking private pictures of yourself naked on your private phone is not doing something wrong.
If STD is marketed as TV-MA then you can't watch with kids anyway, nudity or not.
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