Ranks in STAR TREK

[Tenacity]

It's worth nothing. If it's not on screen then it doesn't count.

So, back to no toilets huh?

I don't believe the braids were established as ranks on the crew's sleeves yet, instead it was to identify who was a commission officer or a bridge officer.

One stripe for officer, two stripes for commanding officer. We also saw no stripes, perhaps "not a officer."

Say what? After the two pilots, the braids on the sleeves were very consistently used throughout TOS.

Then sometime after TMP rank insignia on sleeves disappeared.

Fairly brief life span.

None of the post 24th century futures had sleeve insignia.

Please provide a reference to "rear admiral lower half"

I believe this was Kirk's rank at the beginning of TMP, although he was referred to by the generic "admiral."

 

[Levi]

If you were looking for a more direct response to your question to the three ranks, it would be Fleet Captain, then Commodore, then Rear Admiral. Based on their actual placement within the ranking system.

 

[Tim Thomason]

I suspect, like you said, it's much like the provisional rank devices used on Voyager for the Maquis personnel. They are a part of the greater rank structure when endorsed by legitimate officers in the field and hold similar authority and responsibility, yet not quite Starfleet. They either took a different kind of oath, or none at all.

It kinda makes sense that a Deputy Director, representing the Department of Internal Affairs, might need to shout out to others that he is equivalent in rank and prestige to a Captain, even if he is not commissioned within Starfleet proper. I assume that is to keep Internal Affairs more independent in their investigations.

 

[Paul Weaver]

There's also Luther Sloan with his crazy underlined Captain's insignia, whatever that means. That was in DS9.

Presumably a way of showing that Sisko couldn't kick him out?

, I'm not a fan of the black badges because it advertises to outsiders the existence of S31 way too readily

Where was that established?

 

[The Old Mixer]

So, back to no toilets huh?

We saw one in Star Trek V.

 

[137th Gebirg]

Presumably a way of showing that Sisko couldn't kick him out?


Where was that established?

Spoilers ahead. Be warned...

Spoiler

In a recently revealed denouement scene that was supposed to close out Season 1 and set things up for Season 2 of DISCO, a new character posing as a Trill, going ostensibly by the name of "Leland" played by Alan Van Sprang, attempts to recruit Emperor Georgiou into Section 31, who now runs a brothel on Qo'nos. He gives her a small box with one of those black badges - the same kind of badge worn by those guards in Ep 3. It's stirred up quite the little shitstorm on the web. Pro-S31 folks such as myself don't like the fact they advertise their dark ops so readily and openly (easy recruitment, special badges, etc.) and anti-S31 folks don't want to see another rehash of something that goes against everything Star Trek stands for. Gonna be an interesting season!

We saw one in Star Trek V.

"Do not use in Space Dock"

 

[fireproof78]

I like DISCO, I'm not a fan of the black badges because it advertises to outsiders the existence of S31 way too readily. They are a dark-ops organization for a reason. To say, "Hi, I'm from Section 31, as designated by my unique rank insignia" strains credulity when associated with any such group whose sole purpose is to operate deep in the shadows.

Unless they are just a special forces badge co-opted for their use.

 

[137th Gebirg]

Heh... I think special forces might take issue with that. Still a risk - if SpecOps heard some unknown organization was using their insignia and heraldry, unsanctioned by them, they would likely launch an inquest and shine a very uncomfortable light in S31's general direction. A good example to see how spies really operate is in The Americans. They don't proudly broadcast to the world that they're KGB, even with an insignia that's unknown to everyone - it invites questions and questions in that line of work are bad.

 

[Paul Weaver]

So, back to no toilets huh?

There's a door on the bridge of the D marked "HEAD", and we've seen someone come out of it.

 

[Bry_Sinclair]

I like to think if Sisko had gotten his promotion to the Admiralty at the end of the show he would've brought back the use of Commodore, seeing as it's so similar to how he started on the station (Commander).

 

[danellis]

There's a door on the bridge of the D marked "HEAD", and we've seen someone come out of it.

Don't we see a toilet when Picard washes his face at the start of First Contact?

dJE

 

[137th Gebirg]

Just the sink. 24th century technology has advanced to the point of being able to remove all waste matter directly from the body using micro-transporter emitters embedded in the walls of the bathroom and recycling everything back into the deuterium tanks. No toilets needed.

 

[Shawnster]

I doubt it would be that overt. As much as I like DISCO, I'm not a fan of the black badges because it advertises to outsiders the existence of S31 way too readily. They are a dark-ops organization for a reason. To say, "Hi, I'm from Section 31, as designated by my unique rank insignia" strains credulity when associated with any such group whose sole purpose is to operate deep in the shadows.

I d, like you said, it's much like the provisional rank devices used on Voyager for the Maquis personnel. They are a part of the greater rank structure when endorsed by legitimate officers in the field and hold similar authority and responsibility, yet not quite Starfleet. They either took a different kind of oath, or none at all.

This assumes the black badges are Section 31. I don't recall that being established

 

[CorporalCaptain]

This assumes the black badges are Section 31. I don't recall that being established

Spoiler

The former Emperor got a black badge in the bonus scene.

 

[137th Gebirg]

This assumes the black badges are Section 31. I don't recall that being established

The former Emperor got a black badge in the bonus scene.

Yep. The details are in the spoiler code several posts up.

 

[The Wormhole]

This assumes the black badges are Section 31. I don't recall that being established

You haven't heard about the casting news or the recently released bonus scene from the finale?

 

[137th Gebirg]

It's caused quite the kerfuffle amongst the fandom. Love it!

 

[Shawnster]

You haven't heard about the casting news or the recently released bonus scene from the finale?

No, that was the first I saw.

 

[The Wormhole]

Ah, well, suffice to say the Black Badges are now confirmed to be Section 31.

 

[Paul Weaver]

No, that was the first I saw.

Yes, we have a great spoiler policy on this forum

If you are posting specific spoilers from episodes, particularly about plot developments, please use spoiler tags and warnings for at least 2 weeks from the date of US release to give people a chance to catch up.

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Full marks that man.