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[fireproof78]

Will they address it head on? Or will they pull a 24 and make Section 31 the last line of defense against the invading horde?

Star Trek has yet to do that with Section 31, with them, in essence, being the devil tempting the heroes.

I get that you're biased against things like 24 and the like, but there is precedence within Trek itself to show how they utilize S31 and they are never the heroes of the story, except in their own mind.

 

[Amaris]

Star Trek has yet to do that with Section 31, with them, in essence, being the devil tempting the heroes.

I get that you're biased against things like 24 and the like, but there is precedence within Trek itself to show how they utilize S31 and they are never the heroes of the story, except in their own mind.

I guess I have misgivings here because it's clear that this Star Trek really does want to be darker, and grittier. While I enjoy many aspects of it, despite that, I'm curious as to how they'll handle something like Section 31. I say that because as much as I enjoy the show, they can get really clunky and ham-handed with the writing and plot direction. It also doesn't help that Starfleet was really cool with the idea of just up and murdering billions of Klingons. They were only held back by a handful of officers who convinced them, at the very last moment, that maybe there was a better way. Otherwise, these Feds were all about the genocide as a quick and dirty way of eliminating a threat.

 

[rhllot]

True, it's not, it's the United States in the 20th and 21st centuries.

because in america there is no disease, hunger and poverty as in the federation, right?
The federation is the closest there can be to a utopia! It is a pity that you are upset that it is not a complete utopia. but if you look at the other civilizations without a doubt the federation is the best place to live

 

[fireproof78]

I guess I have misgivings here because it's clear that this Star Trek really does want to be darker, and grittier. While I enjoy many aspects of it, despite that, I'm curious as to how they'll handle something like Section 31. I say that because as much as I enjoy the show, they can get really clunky and ham-handed with the writing and plot direction. It also doesn't help that Starfleet was really cool with the idea of just up and murdering billions of Klingons. They were only held back by a handful of officers who convinced them, at the very last moment, that maybe there was a better way. Otherwise, these Feds were all about the genocide as a quick and dirty way of eliminating a threat.

Starfleet leadership has done that before. It is a dilemma that is worth revisiting. Abrams handled it well, in my opinion, and DS9 demonstrated that even the more "evolved" humans could be tempted to use that power. Actually, TNG admirals did it too.

"The better way" is not always instinctual in humans and must be fueled by those few who recognize it. Star Trek has done well with that, with champions like Kirk, like Picard, like Kang, like Sisko, like Bashier, etc.

 

[Amaris]

because in america there is no disease, hunger and poverty as in the federation, right?
The federation is the closest there can be to a utopia! It is a pity that you are upset that it is not a complete utopia. but if you look at the other civilizations without a doubt the federation is the best place to live

In terms of how it filters the way it sees the world, it is very much a 20th/21st century U.S.
Honestly, though, even if we lived in a supposed utopia, if I found out that we only achieved it by murdering, exploiting, and manipulating entire cultures, that would no longer be a utopia. As it stands, we live in a country that does all of these things, and still can't feed all of its own people, so I don't want one of my favorite franchises playing on the same mindset that we have here.

Starfleet leadership has done that before. It is a dilemma that is worth revisiting. Abrams handled it well, in my opinion, and DS9 demonstrated that even the more "evolved" humans could be tempted to use that power. Actually, TNG admirals did it too.

"The better way" is not always instinctual in humans and must be fueled by those few who recognize it. Star Trek has done well with that, with champions like Kirk, like Picard, like Kang, like Sisko, like Bashier, etc.

I don't know, I just get this feeling it's going to be bungled in a big way. I'm still going to watch it, while crossing my fingers and hoping for the best. Plus, at the end of the day, there's always Tilly. ♥

 

[Ovation]

Plus, at the end of the day, there's always Tilly.

Unless, of course, she’s really Killy in disguise.

 

[fireproof78]

I don't know, I just get this feeling it's going to be bungled in a big way. I'm still going to watch it, while crossing my fingers and hoping for the best. Plus, at the end of the day, there's always Tilly. ♥

Well, I can't change the feelings on it. But, in my opinion, and as much as I will defend Into Darkness, if Abrams can handle S31 without glorifying them, I'm comfortable with DISCO's production team.

Optimism, Captain

 

[Amaris]

Unless, of course, she’s really Killy in disguise.

See, here's where I get conflicted. What "Killy" does is reprehensible, but at the same time, she's as cute as Tilly. I err on the side of my own personal ethos and say that I could not tolerate such horrid behavior from another human being, but at the same time, she looks like Tilly, and Tilly is sweetness and light.

Well, I can't change the feelings on it. But, in my opinion, and as much as I will defend Into Darkness, if Abrams can handle S31 without glorifying them, I'm comfortable with DISCO's production team.

Optimism, Captain

That's true. I liked Into Darkness despite the whole Section 31 angle because of the way J.J. handled what could have been a potential mess. I have to hope the showrunners here are as capable of pushing that same message of "YOU DO NOT WANT TO BE THESE PEOPLE" when it comes to Section 31.

 

[fireproof78]

That's true. I liked Into Darkness despite the whole Section 31 angle because of the way J.J. handled what could have been a potential mess. I have to hope the showrunners here are as capable of pushing that same message of "YOU DO NOT WANT TO BE THESE PEOPLE" when it comes to Section 31.

Given Burnham's role in the end of Season 1, her convincing Cornwall, and her speech, this isn't hard to imagine.

 

[Amaris]

Given Burnham's role in the end of Season 1, her convincing Cornwall, and her speech, this isn't hard to imagine.

Yes, but this is Star Trek. How many times have we seen them take a solid premise and drop the ball, or whiff it entirely? So I do have a very cautious optimism, but even so, I don't like having Section 31 involved at all. I just don't like them, I don't like seeing them. Still, if by the end of the season I'm thinking "that was a great storyline!" then I will eat my hat. It is a nice hat, and I do not wish to eat it, but I will.

Now, this may be fightin' words, but I don't like the Borg either, and I hope they never appear in DSC, but that's because I have been burned out on them for two decades.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

but it doesn't really change the power dynamics of the whole situation.

Sure it would change the power dynamic and radically. Planetary destruction could at that point be accomplished by a single torpedo that could fit on a transporter pad. As far as we knew, prior to that, it would require a whole starship to do the same amount of damage, and it would take probably a lot longer.

 

[fireproof78]

Now, this may be fightin' words, but I don't like the Borg either, and I hope they never appear in DSC, but that's because I have been burned out on them for two decades.

If the Borg never appear in Star Trek again it will be too soon.

 

[Amaris]

If the Borg never appear in Star Trek again it will be too soon.

Something we can agree on completely.

 

[XCV330]

I look forward to it

 

[rhllot]

In terms of how it filters the way it sees the world, it is very much a 20th/21st century U.S.
Honestly, though, even if we lived in a supposed utopia, if I found out that we only achieved it by murdering, exploiting, and manipulating entire cultures, that would no longer be a utopia. As it stands, we live in a country that does all of these things, and still can't feed all of its own people, so I don't want one of my favorite franchises playing on the same mindset that we have here.



I don't know, I just get this feeling it's going to be bungled in a big way. I'm still going to watch it, while crossing my fingers and hoping for the best. Plus, at the end of the day, there's always Tilly. ♥

the federation never exploits any other civilization! On the contrary, the federation helps other peoples! gave replicators to the Bajorans for example

 

[Ceridwen]

They turned hyperspace into a bad ass weapon.

Smaller ship aims a larger ship hits makes a hyperspace kamikaze run and boom no more big ship.

An X wing or a Falcon sized ship can probably take out a star destroyer.

Do they now use this in every battle of do they forget it? It's Canon.

Except that's not what happened in the movie. A whole lot of angry fans over a scene they don't even understand.

The short hand of what actually happened is "Massive ship already prepped for hyperspace slams into a larger ship, disabling larger ship but not destroying it or taking out any major villains in the process." Or did everyone ignore the fact that there are still multiple scenes set on that "boom no more big ship" after the Holdo maneuver?

 

[jaime]

Head of Section 31? But that's Uraei, operating under the codename Control.

Alan Van Sprang, didn't he play the leader of the Atavus in Earth Final Conflict's last season?

If I have to put up with section 31 a smegging gen I will be happy about it if they ditch that computerised Deus ex machina right out to be honest. I haven’t been able to read Trek lit since that book came out...after all, why bother, the bloody computer program did it. All of it. Ever. Every little thing. It’s an awful piece of retroactive continuity, truly bad.

 

[Stephen!]

Head of Section 31? But that's Uraei, operating under the codename Control.

Leland could just be a lackey, with Uraei still pulling the strings.

 

[Markonian]

Leland could just be a lackey, with Uraei still pulling the strings.

Just like Harris in the most recent Rise of the Federation novel.

 

[jaime]

Sorry, I've taken part in a lot of threads with the other ten people who watched it. I'm used to that perspective. It usually breaks down, there's about four who only like the first season, another four who enjoy seasons 2-4 but prefer season 1, and I'm one of the three who prefer seasons 2-4 over season 1. The only thing we all agree on is that season 5 is trash.

I watched it! That’s eleven now! But then...I didn’t have sky anymore so haven’t seen seasons two to five, though one of those is currently showing in the mornings here..but I don’t have time to catch up with it.
But yeah. I liked it in all its late nineties V style glory.