I meant leads or recurring from EFC. I know a few have played one or two time roles in both.
I guess I need to be clearer in my thoughts.
I guess I need to be clearer in my thoughts.
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I certainly hope so.
Same boring story as always. Star Trek, Star Wars...it really doesn't matter.
Fans hate it if anything new challenges their sensibilities of what the franchise should be. Fans hate it when there are call backs to what has come before. At this point, I just want them to tell whatever stories they want, and hopefully it's fun. To hell with all the endless bitching due to failed expectations. I've learned to drop expectations and just go for the ride. I'm far less miserable as a result.
It makes you wonder why anyone bothers with it anymore.
Fans hate it if anything new challenges their sensibilities of what the franchise should be. Fans hate it when there are call backs to what has come before. At this point, I just want them to tell whatever stories they want, and hopefully it's fun. To hell with all the endless bitching due to failed expectations. I've learned to drop expectations and just go for the ride. I'm far less miserable as a result.
It makes you wonder why anyone bothers with it anymore.
Obviously he didn't get the role, but Robert Leeshock (Liam Kincaid) auditioned for Captain Archer.
I remember Bruce Gray playing Surak...but who were those other people?
Bring on Alan Van Sprang!
I enjoyed him in the clip and Iike when Section 31 is used so I'm happy with this casting.
What!? Earth Final Conflict lasted 5 seasons!? I remember watching this when I was younger but I thought it was canceled around season 2. Had no clue it continued. I guess the station I was watching it on in the US just didn't show the next season.
No idea, I just looked up both shows on IMDb and those were people who were on EFC and then ENT.
Fans hate it because it's helmed by people that don't understand their respective franchises, not because "they changed things" which is absolutely laughable in regards to Discovery and Star Wars since both franchises seem to be caught in the same trap of wanting to create something new, but don't have the guts to actually do anything new without relying on the names and trappings of what came before, then just doing it 100x worse.
These "Seq/preboots" are the absolute worst fucking trend in Television and Hollywood atm. Not only do we get a shitty reboot that nobody wanted, but we because it's a sequel or prequel, it actively shits all over the original and because they "want to craft their own path" they're actively destructive to the original.
Star Trek hasn't been hit as hard as Star Wars though where Disney Wars pretty much erases literally the entire OT from existence in the story because they wanted to retread "Empire vs Rebels" again.
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It amazes me the assumption of malice and hatred towards these franchises by a production team. That makes no sense.
It amazes me the assumption of malice and hatred towards these franchises by a production team. That makes no sense.
I love it. I love both of them. I'm gonna go create a new CBSAA account and buy 5 separate copies of the new SW movie this week just to show my support. I look forward to enjoying the hell out of more of the same, especially if it pisses other "fans" off. That's part of the fun, after all.
I figure Star Wars will continue on long and strong, despite the supposed "hatred" of the production team.
Is there a production team of any sacred franchise that ISN'T hated by rabid nerds these days?
Maybe the Marvel stuff, just because it's so cookie-cutter and bland every single movie? I don't know...
Because I'm not a fanboy to anything that has a the brand name attached and can view things for it's own merits unlike much of modern fandom which sees a brand name and then just has to pretend it's perfect and good.
I don't think the production team HATE Star Trek (though it's no secret Moonves does) I just think they don't CARE about Star Trek and have been brought on board to create a generic sci-fi cashgrab for CBS so they can drag people aboard All Access. This is the thinking behind most "reboots". The people working on these franchises just don't actually care or get the original franchises, it's a cashgrab using the IP, this is why, most Reboots suck balls and don't even get the most basic of things right when dealing with their respective franchises.
I mean, ffs, It's Avika Goldsman and Alex Kurtzman, these two people are well known in Hollywood as people you bring aboard when you have an IP which you cynically want to cash in on but don't actually care about what the IP actually is. It is astonishing to me actually to see people here defend Avika Goldsman and Alex Kurtzman, two people who have just left a wake of ruined franchises behind them.
Also it's not that rare that writers and production teams actually don't like the franchise they are working on, this has already happened with Trek in the past with Voyager where the writers and production team according to Fuller pretty much outright hated Star Trek but were kept in line by Piller, Berman and Braga.
I'm honestly not certain. But, it still saddens me that the assumption that because a production team does something that isn't agreeable, or expected, they must suck.
Or some people might actually, genuinely, enjoy the show.
I don't think Star Wars is perfect and good (in fact, it is kind of dumb) nor is DISCO. But, they are enjoyable and entertaining. That's what they are supposed to be, not deep philosophical musings on the human condition.
But it's because people take it PERSONALLY. It's all about THEM.
Movie/show isn't what I want or expect? It was done to spite ME. These writers must hate what I love to have done this!!
It's ridiculous. Nobody knows how to be challenged or to be taken in a different direction any more. I hate using the example (truly, I do), but look at all the gushing about The Orville. It's literally the same exact template as 100's and 100's of episodes of Berman-era Trek. That shows me that fandom is filled of people who just want things to stay as they were. Nobody can stand to be led in a different direction or exposed to new approaches.
Man, I'll tell ya...I couldn't be like that. I'd much rather they try new approaches and fail than just keep churning out the same tired, passionless stuff year after year for half a damn century.
I almost completely gave up on Trek around the late90s after having been a fan since the 70s. Why? Because it had just gotten so safe and repetitive, there was absolutely no passion or excitement to it any more. I'd rather Trek succeed or fail gloriously with new approaches than live in that fan purgatory ever again.
I can't fathom those who just want more of the same.
But, like I said earlier today...it's really not that because there's hatred and discontent no matter what. It's the SW "new trilogy" effect. TFA suck s because it's too much like Star Wars. TLJ sucks because ifts not enough like Star Wars. It's virtually laughable.
I agree with most of your larger points, but this one stuck out. I genuinely feel that this is most important aspect. I want new things, even if it fails. I would rather it try and fail, than simply continue on.
And, when one reviewes the history of these particular franchises, when "something new" was tried, it injected some fresh ideas in to the franchise, from TWOK's "Horatio Hornblower in space" to DS9 trying a more serialized plot. or even TNG's "evolved sensibilities" compared to TOS.
Again, the production teams are in an impossible situation, so might as well try something new.
If the Section 31 stuff is just a side plot with Georgiou, I'm fine with that, but if Section 31 is the main season arc...ehhh......
Don't need to dumb stuff down to the lowest common denominator to make it enjoyable.
Except Star Trek has always been a much more intelligent Science Fiction than your standard TV crap series and has always been dealing with philosophical, social and moral concepts.
This has got to be a joke. There are numerous, very successful decent Science fiction franchises alive and kicking today. The problem with Star Trek and Star Wars is that they are helmed by people who don't actually understand these franchises, nor have any concept of good storytelling or respect for the setting and frankly don't care about anything beyond a paycheck.
Disney's Star Wars films literally don't make any sense whatsoever, the setting is a complete mess of nonsensical garbage that they don't even bother to explain just so they can push "Empire vs Rebels" again.
What is the First Order? Where did they come from? Where is the Republic? Why doesn't the Republic have an army? Why are the Republics forces so tiny and called "The resistence"? how does the first order have so many resources? What the hell is Snoke? How did Snoke create this giant military force in secret that is easily able to take over the galaxy? How did the First Order take over the galaxy when their main base of operations along with most of their forces were destroyed in TFA? Why would Luke so radically change? Wasn't Luke exploring old Jedi temples, how does this fit with TLJ characterisation? Why did Luke leave a map if he never wanted to be found? Why wouldn't Luke even help his sister? Why does Luke not even care for Han and Chewie?
This sounds very much like a story they really wanted to tell in the Star Wars universe expanding upon it and it's characters and not just a cynical cashgrab they're making up as they go that they've put little to no thought into it.
This is largely the same problem with Discovery as well, it's not well written, it's story is a confusing mess, it's character arcs are pretty bad, much of it is nonsensical, it doesn't fit well within the setting, directing is pretty bad, they clearly don't really care about Star Trek or it's themes or spirit.
It's clearly a cynical cashgrab by CBS.
Never mind, not even worth it.
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