I actually think it is a better show than Deep Space Nine. Not as polished because of the budget, but a deeper and more satisfying story so far.
Different tastes. I found the writing weak and the acting weaker. (with two or three exceptions)
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Different tastes. I found the writing weak and the acting weaker. (with two or three exceptions)
.....ugh.
Fuckin' REALLY?
How supidly fanboy-ish is this shit going to become even more?
God, I hope so. But at this point I wouldn't trust these numbnuts to come up with an original idea if my life depended upon it...
That's so hyperbolic... Using canon elements of the material you're writing is defined as "fanboyism" now ? That's like saying new Star Wars movies with force ghosts are fanboy-ish or that using the Pegasus in Nu-BSG was fanboy-ish.
The whole point of writing a series that fits inside a franchise is to be self-referential. Otherwise, they wouldn't call it Star Trek. I can't possibly imagine how can you conclude that the entirety of Season 2 is going to be about Section 31 watching a 2-minute bonus clip that wasn't even included in the Season Finale.
If the people in charge of Discovery were "numbnuts" and they didn't write anything original, DSC wouldn't be critically acclaimed and it would never be nominated for several different types of awards.
If this is fan wank so was every series after TOS
And maybe a few episodes of TOS.
Haha! Boom!
Stop swallowing fanwank
Different tastes. I found the writing weak and the acting weaker. (with two or three exceptions)
Compared to S1 of DS9, or the entire run of DS9? I find it hard to compare apples to apples when I have 7 seasons of DS9 in my head vs. just 1 season of DSC.
I thought all of the shows were a little weak to start compared to where they ended up.
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Choose one random assertion about someone that you don't know, and stick to it for more than five minutes. You can't have it both ways.
12:43 PM, in response to a post by BillJ:
Choose one random assertion about someone that you don't know, and stick to it for more than five minutes. You can't have it both ways.
So te scene with Section31 was already shot in the first season.
ScreenRant has a clue as to what might be coming in the second season. They report on a deleted scene in which Section 31 recruiting is recruiting Mirror Georgiou. Quote: Star Trek is at a fairly low cultural ebb at the moment, but confirmation of Section 31 at least suggests the creators of Discovery are gearing up for another breathless, polarizing season. Best news don't want to go back to the good old optimistic star trek worldview so borring.
Here is the scene:
ScreenRant has a clue as to what might be coming in the second season. They report on a deleted scene in which Section 31 recruiting is recruiting Mirror Georgiou. Quote: Star Trek is at a fairly low cultural ebb at the moment, but confirmation of Section 31 at least suggests the creators of Discovery are gearing up for another breathless, polarizing season. Best news don't want to go back to the good old optimistic star trek worldview so borring.
Here is the scene:
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I was talking about Babylon 5, which @BillJ is watching for the first time.
Well, yeah. The new Disney Star Wars movies ARE super fanboyish. Not because of force ghosts. But because they are redoing EVERY. SINGLE. THING. from the original Star Wars trilogy. They use the ecaxt same TIE fighters (only color inverted), fly on the Millenium Falcon to fight against the evil Empire with it's Stormtroopers and Death Stars...
Hell, Star Wars at this point is even more creatively buncrupt than Star Trek. Even George Lucas prequel trilogy was more creatively independant and innovative than what Disney is currently churning out on an assembly line. The first two Disney Star Wars movies - Force Awakens and Rogue One - are essentially big budget fan movies. And even Last Jedi can at BEST be described as a "remix": It's still the exact same scenes - The throne room betrayal, the AT-AT battle at Hoth, the Millenium falcon chase - just in a slightly different sequence and with minimal variations.
But I can promise you: Diminishing returns are going to hit Disney Star Wars soon, and HARD. But it arguibly started at a much more popular place than DIS did. If DIS doesn't soon find a way to install a viable identity on it's own, it will be gone fast. There is a reason MARVEL is currently the ONLY major franchise that is actually growing, despite it already being pretty big: They are constantly evolving. Every installment is a drastic departure from the last one - so much so that when they are redoing stuff ('Dr Strange' as 'Iron Man on shrooms') it meets immediate backlash. People like to be fans of stuff. But you get fed up REALLY FAST it they serve you the same dishes again and again.
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That same scene where the Section 31 agent explicitly stated, "Because I'm not Starfleet"?
Ouch. Probably not the buzz CBS wants after its big-budget streaming tentpole has wrapped up its debut season.
I will puke, I'm warning you.
I was going for the computer virus from "I, Borg."
Hopefully because someone in production thought - Hey let's NOT do this! We'll look like tryhard dicks if we do.
Except they've already said it will be followed up in Season 2, so there really wasn't any point in cutting it. Unless it was for pacing reasons.
Let's sum up: Section 31 is first mentioned on DS9 in relation to Bashir's strange life. What's funny is that most of the things that Sloan said about Bashir were perfectly true. The writers exploited weaknesses of previous stories to feed Sloan's suspicions. For instance, why was the runabout still in orbit awaiting commands. Seems rather sloppy of the Jemhadar to leave it there.
Then section 31 is vaguely alluded to on ENT.
Then section 31 is mentioned again in NuTrek and is even part of the plot in "Into Darkness"
Then it's mentioned again on Discovery.
All I have to say about it is BRAVO!
I wish the writers were that coherent and persistent about other aspects of the show and I definitely don't understand why some people seem to be unhappy about it.
Then section 31 is vaguely alluded to on ENT.
Then section 31 is mentioned again in NuTrek and is even part of the plot in "Into Darkness"
Then it's mentioned again on Discovery.
All I have to say about it is BRAVO!
I wish the writers were that coherent and persistent about other aspects of the show and I definitely don't understand why some people seem to be unhappy about it.
Wow, I don't know what show you guys watched. In my book Babylon 5 was easily the best SF show of the '90s. It was written at a whole other level than anything Trek could offer, on DS9 or otherwise.
