Spoilers Bonus scene from Season One Finale

[Mad Jack Wolfe]

To quote Admiral Marcus, "Well, shit."

So much for any hope of giving this hamfisted version of Trek another try. Of course, MU!Georgiou would end up in Section 31. It's the blatantly fan-wankity obvious choice. Even I saw it coming without bothering to watch the MU episodes. Just when I thought they'd hit the bottom of the barrel, they break out the shovels.

Whatever. Not my circus, not my monkeys. DiscoTrek has completely lost me.

 

[lawman]

[Section 31 trying to destroy Qo'nos] sounds like a story with some conflict that could be interesting to resolve in order to keep the peace. Almost like, it was set up that way...

It sounds like an opportunity for the show to draw extra attention back to the really hamfisted and implausibly contrived way it resolved the Klingon War arc. That's something best left in the rear-view mirror.

And that's the real-world perspective. As for the in-story perspective...

...Mirror Georgiou is exactly the type of person they'd want working for them.

Agreed on that part.

Georgiou - her MU counterpart, anyway - is as thoroughly, irredeemably evil a character as we've ever seen in Trek. She is without morals, compassion or ethics of any kind. There's literally nothing she wouldn't do. So I guess she really does fit within Section 31's wheelhouse.

...I can't agree with you guys here. It really makes no sense. Section 31 is supremely flexible about the means it uses, sure, so they wouldn't object to Georgiou on those grounds... but it's rock-solid on its ends, and those are (what it perceives as) the best interests of the Federation. They want people who are committed to that. She has absolutely zero reason to be loyal to the Federation, and already has a demonstrated history as a loose cannon. They wouldn't be looking to recruit her, they'd be looking to eliminate her.

 

[fireproof78]

I don't know if it'll be possible with the narrative flow of any particular episode but I hope somehow they work this scene into Season 2. Or, after they do the recap of the relevant episode, insert this scene, and then go into the episode proper.

I think it's too good to be on the cutting-room floor. Even as atmosphere, visually, or setting a tone or a mood. It just works.

It is a fantastic scene absolutely. Don't really care if it is canon or not.

As for Section 31, they operate so much under different aliases and the like, presenting legitimate fronts as well as operating through illegitimate means. Fully realistic, and still interesting.

To quote Admiral Marcus, "Well, shit."

So much for any hope of giving this hamfisted version of Trek another try. Of course, MU!Georgiou would end up in Section 31. It's the blatantly fan-wankity obvious choice. Even I saw it coming without bothering to watch the MU episodes. Just when I thought they'd hit the bottom of the barrel, they break out the shovels.

Whatever. Not my circus, not my monkeys. DiscoTrek has completely lost me.

I just...I am truly at a loss. I don't get it any more. I get that DISCO isn't for everyone but the whole "rock bottom and started to dig" part just baffles me to the point of my brain hurting. It's becoming truly confusing.

...I can't agree with you guys here. It really makes no sense. Section 31 is supremely flexible about the means it uses, sure, so they wouldn't object to Georgiou on those grounds... but it's rock-solid on its ends, and those are (what it perceives as) the best interests of the Federation. They want people who are committed to that. She has absolutely zero reason to be loyal to the Federation, and already has a demonstrated history as a loose cannon. They wouldn't be looking to recruit her, they'd be looking to eliminate her.

Can't agree on this point, at all. They can manipulate her to serve their own ends and those of the Federation. She's already demonstrated that she is capable of doing that.

It sounds like an opportunity for the show to draw extra attention back to the really hamfisted and implausibly contrived way it resolved the Klingon War arc. That's something best left in the rear-view mirror.

And that's the real-world perspective. As for the in-story perspective...

Also don't agree here.

 

[Lord Garth]

I can't agree with you guys here. It really makes no sense. Section 31 is supremely flexible about the means it uses, sure, so they wouldn't object to Georgiou on those grounds... but it's rock-solid on its ends, and those are (what it perceives as) the best interests of the Federation. They want people who are committed to that. She has absolutely zero reason to be loyal to the Federation, and already has a demonstrated history as a loose cannon. They wouldn't be looking to recruit her, they'd be looking to eliminate her.

Well, like I said, cutting-and-pasting: With Georgiou, she's very blatant about what she's about and what she's capable of. I'm sure they wouldn't trust her for a second if a better opportunity came up. That's why they have to make her the most attractive opportunity possible. And then think they can stay one, two, or 10 steps ahead of her. They won't be able to but they've probably convinced themselves of it. Or they want to use her for something and then will dispose of her immediately afterwards. At least try to, anyway.

End of Cut-and-Paste

I don't think they're looking for loyalty in this case. I think they're looking for someone who's useful and then to dispose of her when she isn't. I don't think she'll be up there in their inner-circle. They think she's someone they might be able to control or manipulate to their advantage.

 

[Hey Missy]

There is no building, no room like this in the real world. Section Thirty One has no headquarters. These files, they exist only in the minds of a very select group of people

Star Trek Into Darkness kind of "dumbed down" S31 into an eeeeevil! organization with (literally) underground libraries so that the general audience could understand it better.
Which significantly weakened them, in my opinion. DS9's take was very creepy and ominous.

 

[fireproof78]

I don't think they're looking for loyalty in this case. I think they're looking for someone who's useful and then to dispose of her when she isn't. I don't think she'll up there in their inner-circle. They think she's someone they might be able to control or manipulate to their advantage.

Exactly.

 

[Dijeirusan]

If I ran Section 31, I'd want MU Georgiou too.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Section 31 is amoral, yes. But it's NOT bent on galactic domination.

I'm sure they might claim that, but there is no reason to believe them.

Section 31's very existence - operating outside the law, under no restrictions whatsoever, answerable to no one but themselves - is an invitation for abuse. It's the very definition of dictatorship.

Of course Section 31 wants power - how could they NOT want it? They literally do whatever they want, whenever they feel like doing it. And if they determine that you are a threat, you are eliminated - you have no rights, no recourse, no defense whatsoever. What is that, if NOT an attempt at absolute domination?

It's there to protect the Federation - it's ideals included.

You can't protect ideals by violating them.

Despite it's evil doing, they think of themselves as secret benelovent protectors

Who cares what they think? They're simply WRONG.

 

[XCV330]

I liked the scene. I somehow dont think it will be the main plot season 2, but it will come into play somehow. as for the black badges. we've section 31 that we know of, less than a handfull of times besides this. So no, the pre-federation sec 31 didnt wear badges (neither did starfleet, then). and a few hundred years later they did not either, at least what we saw of them. WE know they had their own uniforms in the Abramsverse.
So these guys have badges. big deal. they may have not been as secret at this point.

 

[Fateor]

So utterly predictable.

 

[XCV330]

Star Trek Into Darkness kind of "dumbed down" S31 into an eeeeevil! organization with (literally) underground libraries so that the general audience could understand it better.
Which significantly weakened them, in my opinion. DS9's take was very creepy and ominous.

Sec31 may have learned over the years to go back to being deeper underground

 

[Dijeirusan]

I liked the scene. I somehow dont think it will be the main plot season 2, but it will come into play somehow. as for the black badges. we've section 31 that we know of, less than a handfull of times besides this. So no, the pre-federation sec 31 didnt wear badges (neither did starfleet, then). and a few hundred years later they did not either, at least what we saw of them. WE know they had their own uniforms in the Abramsverse.
So these guys have badges. big deal. they may have not been as secret at this point.

Not a main plot point, but a big enough arc for CBS to announce Leland will be in Season 2. I imagine Section 31 will be the 2nd arc after the initial Enterprise stuff.

 

[Vger23]

It's a deleted scene. So, right now, fun to watch...but not worth anyone losing their minds over, though.

 

[fireproof78]

It's a deleted scene. So, right now, fun to watch...but not worth anyone losing their minds over, though.

You must be new here.

 

[Fateor]

It's a deleted scene. So, right now, fun to watch...but not worth anyone losing their minds over, though.

Bonus scene not deleted scene.

 

[Dijeirusan]

It's a deleted scene. So, right now, fun to watch...but not worth anyone losing their minds over, though.

It's a bonus scene that's canon, and part of a Season 2 announcement that Section 31, new character Leland and presumably Mirror Georgiou are part of Season 2.

 

[XCV330]

Whatever keeps Yeoh in th cast. im good with it.

 

[cultcross]

Fucks sake. Section bloody 31.

 

[lawman]

I don't think they're looking for loyalty in this case. I think they're looking for someone who's useful and then to dispose of her when she isn't. I don't think she'll be up there in their inner-circle. They think she's someone they might be able to control or manipulate to their advantage.

But why take the risk, for someone they know is more likely than not to betray them? What advantage do they gain by even trying to co-opt or manipulate her? MUGeorgiou's one and only useful characteristic was that she could pass for an otherwise deceased Starfleet captain, and now that Starfleet's disavowed her, that's shot to hell too. She not only has no loyalty to the Federation, she has little to no knowledge of its universe, no skills at how to navigate it, and no useful connections there. Recruiting her — indeed, even revealing their existence to her — makes no sense whatsoever in-universe. If all they want is someone ruthlessly immoral, surely there are qualified candidates who at least know the lay of the land.

 

[tomalak301]

I liked this scene because we actually see a Trill. They finally referenced something from DS9 that wasn't section 31.