This is the guy who played Leland, he's been in a few things (He's also Canadian)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_van_Sprang
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_van_Sprang
Spoilers Bonus scene from Season One Finale
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I love how he is dressed too.
And now you have the problem that:
1. It is known Kronos can be easily blown up with a handsized bomb, and
2. Completely amoral humans being able to walk around willy-nilly on Kronos with that knowledge
Oh well, so much for the klingons EVER posing a serious threat to Starfleet anymore... Yay! Conflict completely solved....
Well, suffice it to say that "more of Mirror Georgiou" and "anything involving Section 31" are on this list of things I don't want to see from DSC season two, much less a combination thereof. On the bright side, since this scene was apparently cut rather than aired, maybe somebody thought better of it and this won't actually be a source of future stories.
Starfleet doesn't have the detonator.
Speaking of Admiral Marcus: How long until we start hearing rumors of a Peter Weller appearance? Exploring what Marcus does without the Kelvin disaster (and attending technology boom) could form a half-season arc all by itself.
And I will be very surprised indeed if we don't see the infamous Captain Killy, alive and well, sporting a black badge this next season. I'm calling it now.
And I will be very surprised indeed if we don't see the infamous Captain Killy, alive and well, sporting a black badge this next season. I'm calling it now.
Well, luckily section 31 doesn't know how to build bombs themselves, and has no access to any form of ammunition...
I never really found them a credible threat, save for in TUC, and DS9.
Also, there are humans like Mudd and Cyrano Jones and the like who seem able to trade to within Klingon space. So, it doesn't really bother me that humans are on the Homeworld.
Also, the bomb is in L'Rell's hands. I have no doubt it will be resolved before too long.
I don't have a problem with either of these things.
So? The point is that (A) if destroying Qo'nos is as easy as the season finale made it appear — doable with a portable weapon that was right on hand on a starship, dropped into an unguarded volcanic shaft, and (B) if Section 31 acts with impunity and thinks that the Klingons are still a threat, then it follows that (C) the Klingon homeworld should cease to exist sometime very soon.
Hide in plain sight. Maybe no one in Starfleet questions it when they see one. It's likely just another division to them that might be top secret. Starfleet Intelligence exist after all. Deep undercover agents likely wear normal badges when on duty.
There is also no place for this in episode 15 since this is after the events of the episode. It's less of a deleted scene and more of a teaser I think for things to come.
Sounds like a story with some conflict that could be interesting to resolve in order to keep the peace. Almost like, it was set up that way...
Nah, that could never happen.
It is inconceivable that Section 31 could be so incredibly sloppy as to openly advertise their existence in public (via the black badges) so I think it's likely that said badges were part of an already existing, legitimate division of Starfleet (such as Starfleet Intelligence) that S31 is simply using as a smokescreen.
Except we already know that it won't.
Except we already know that it won't.
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We know from DS9 that Section 31 one agents are Starfleet either starfleet or can pretend to be Starfleet.
Section 31 was introduced so late in DS9 they barely had time to do anything with it. I'm glad that it's being brought into this series so early on, so that now they have the time to do more. Maybe even something extended.
Sure, some people might hate it, but I liked Section 31 right from when it was introduced in "Inquisition". If DSC wants to be seedier, then S31 fits right in. It also fits the tone of the series and what it wants to do.
Sure, some people might hate it, but I liked Section 31 right from when it was introduced in "Inquisition". If DSC wants to be seedier, then S31 fits right in. It also fits the tone of the series and what it wants to do.
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I think this is a case of no-one knowing what to do about those black badges once episode 3 was finished, and the writers reading fan-theories about section 31 on the Internet (NCC-1031, black badges) and liking them so much they decided to incorporate them - even though it makes no logical sense in the story.
How doesn't it make sense?
You don't think Section 31 would have any interest in a Spore Drive? You don't think they wouldn't want people in their organization who don't adhere to a strict moral code? Discovery is exactly the type of thing they're interested in and Mirror Georgiou is exactly the type of person they'd want working for them. If you watched DS9, you know this is what they're interested in.
Furthermore, you'd think the writers didn't know jack about Star Trek if we go by you and had to look everything up. It couldn't be even remotely possible that some of them might be familiar with Star Trek beyond the basics? Isn't it even possible?
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I don't hate Section 31. I hate that after DS9 nobody knew how to use it properly.
Section 31 is NOT the Federation's secret service - we know perfectly well Starfleet also has regular spy agencies. But somehow, that is how it was used everytime it has re-appeared since then.
Section 31 is a clandestine operation inside the Federation. A secret organization, a "benelovent" Illuminati - a fuckin' conspiracy. A society with access to all the Federations ressources, and to use them secretly for it's own means - to do whatever they see as "necessary" to protect the Federation as a whole.
It's a fuckin' brilliant concept. But no one knows what to do with it though. And since then, EVERYTIME we had some sort of evil Starfleet Captain or even only some regular spy stories - they always fall back on Section 31. It's annoying. As if suddenly a "regular" mad Starfleet Admiral isn't possible anymore - every single shady thing in the Federation now does HAS to be explained with some weird "truther"-worldview involving section 31.
No, as a matter of fact I don't, because the concepts of "Section 31" and "strict moral code" are near total opposites.
Section 31 is many things...but "moral" is definitely not one of them. They operate without any restraints (moral, legal or ethical) of any kind - they literally do whatever they want.
Indeed, in a very real sense, Section 31 is no better than the Terran Empire that they have just attempted to recruit MU Georgiou from.
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It makes no sense, because that's not what Section 31 is. Again: Section 31 is NOT the regular Federation spy service. They work in the shadows. So much so, regular Starfleet CAPTAINS don't even know it exists. Black BADGES out in the open, in regular service, is the least logical thing a secret conspiratory society would do.
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See, here is where I'd differ:
Section 31 is amoral, yes. But it's NOT bent on galactic domination. It's there to protect the Federation - it's ideals included. Despite it's evil doing, they think of themselves as secret benelovent protectors, doing the "dirty" stuff, so that the Federation itself can stay clean.
Now I think the in-universe idea behind Section 31 is fucking bonkers, and as an organization probably does more harm to the Federation than to protect it - like the CIA torture prison sides after 9/11. Nobody thinks Abu Ghraib or Guantanamo Bay did the U.S. any favours, but there were/are a FUCKTON of people involved: kidnapping suspects, torturing them, and hiding everything from the public. Even falsifying intelligence later on to pretend they garnered any valuable information through torture, even though they in reality didn't. Section 31 does harm, not just to innocent individuals, but to the reputation of the Federation as a whole, and should be abolished.
But I ABSOLUTELY can see some mad Starfleet members founding and supporting such an organization. There is a SHITTON of potential there - arguibly very interesting stories to be told, to find the line of what is morally acceptable, and what too much.
But all this falls flat on it's nose when Section 31 is treated as just a regular shady spy organization. That's just a fundamental misunderstanding of what the basic concept of Section 31 actually IS.
You can't just treat it as the next best reason to have human bad guys. The concept of section 31 goes much beyond that, and everytime they use it wrong it fundamentally loses the core concept of whar made it interesting in the first place.
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I always read it as the Federation's Secret Service, even back in the '90s. But, even if it wasn't, even if it is an illuminati, they did work in conjunction with Admiral Ross. They have intermingled.
And I stand by what I said. They'd be interested in something like a Spore Drive. Especially once it would be perfected. And I do think Georgiou is someone they would want. This, to me, actually makes sense.
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