Spoilers DC's Legends of Tomorrow - Season 3

[dahj]

Legends are really delivering every week, not only do they consistently come up with really fun and silly scenarios, but they don't fall in the trap of just mining it for humor, instead they manage to touch upon heartfelt themes, like cross-generational understanding and acceptance, the importance of music in peoples lives, and dealing with the death of beloved pets.

Axl's in memoriam in the credits was sweet, he will be missed.

 

[Gaith]

I'm an ep behind, as usual, but "No Country for Old Dads" was delightful. Finally, a chance for Routh to shine a bit! His being nice to even the Darkhs was hilarious. And Wally got off to a pretty decent start, though a young man with good enough taste to call Casablanca his favorite movie should know better than to casually drop a "bitch" in conversation with two women he's just met, particularly when common sense should tell him that he's probably talking about one of them. (In other words, he was totally lying about Casablanca, to impress Jessie.)

Best line, of course, goes to Damien: "I don't even like jam bands."

Did anyone else expect this pirate extra giving Mick the eye to have a bigger role?

 

[Snaploud]

And Wally got off to a pretty decent start, though a young man with good enough taste to call Casablanca his favorite movie should know better than to casually drop a "bitch" in conversation with two women he's just met, particularly when common sense should tell him that he's probably talking about one of them. (In other words, he was totally lying about Casablanca, to impress Jessie.)

Well, Casablanca is pretty much the go-to movie to pretend is your favorite (along with Citizen Kane).

 

[Phoenix219]

The last episode felt a bit like a Quantum Leap episode.....

I'm a bit confused on Damien's personal timeline. He's hundreds of years old, but just a few decades ago he was just an assassin (with long hair!) who gets inspired when he see's magic... "maybe i should look into that." If he's hundreds of years old, doesn't he *already* have magic by that point? I don't remember much of Arrow Season 4 (never rewatched it) so I'm a bit unclear....

 

[JanewayRulz!]

IIRC, Damien and Ra's al Ghul were buddies together at the Legion of Assassins boot camp back in the 1800's. He left and stole some resurrection fluid along the way, hence his youthful appearence.

Just because he has the fluid, however, doesn't make him magical. This ep seems to suggest when he was first inspired to go into magic, although it doesn't really explain where his competing LOA organization came from. I had always got the feeling it had existed for a hundred years, too. (Sorry, not an expert on the organizational dynamics from the comics, in case its explained there.)

 

[Christopher]

This ep seems to suggest when he was first inspired to go into magic

It gave that impression, but it seems doubtful, since older Damien's presence was a change to the original history Damien described (where he succeeded in killing the scientist without interference). So I took the line to suggest that looking into magic was something he'd eventually have decided to do anyway, but this just prompted it a little sooner. I mean, as a former League of Assassins member, aware of the Lazarus Pit and such, he probably already had a general awareness that supernatural phenomena existed.

 

[JD]

From the way it moves, it looks to me like it's straight-up animation rather than performance capture. But I don't know for certain. Of course, it wouldn't have to be performance capture for it to look like her. They'd just have to scan her once to create a digital double and could then animate it manually. That's what they do to create the characters' "stunt doubles" for the digital action sequences. A few months ago, the makers of Titans released a behind-the-scenes photo of Anna Diop sitting in a contraption that lit up her face from all sides so that they could scan her to create the digital Starfire they'll use in flight and action scenes. It's sort of the modern equivalent of making a plaster cast of an actor's face.

And conversely, it wouldn't need to look like her to be performance capture. Just ask Andy Serkis.

I understand all of that, I was just wondering if she does more than just voice the character, and make occaisional on screen appearances.

The Elvis episode was pretty good, I don't really know a ton about his history, so I wasn't bothered by any innacuracies.
As a pet owner, including some rats in the past, I liked the story line with Axl, and I especially got a kick out of the memorial at the end.

 

[Christopher]

The Elvis episode was pretty good, I don't really know a ton about his history, so I wasn't bothered by any innacuracies.

I don't think of them as inaccuracies, I think of them as the history of a parallel Earth. We live on Earth-Prime, not Earth-One, so their history doesn't have to match ours.

 

[Dick Whitman]

Anyone remember the episode of the 80s Twilight Zone "Once and Future King"? In it an Elvis impersonator finds himself in the past meeting young Elvis before he was discovered. Elvis at first believes he must be the ghost of his dead twin Jesse.

 

[USS Firefly]

Anyone remember the episode of the 80s Twilight Zone "Once and Future King"? In it an Elvis impersonator finds himself in the past meeting young Elvis before he was discovered. Elvis at first believes he must be the ghost of his dead twin Jesse.

That was a great episode, especially the end

 

[Aragorn]

Matt Ryan has been upped to series regular for season 4 if the show gets renewed.

 

[Dick Whitman]

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/l...yan-return-as-series-regular-season-4-1095510

Matt Ryan is becoming a regular cast member as Constantine next season. Wow.

I have heard fans ask for this and expect it. But I never saw it happening. I never saw his personality and supernatural background fitting with this show. I am happy though. I have enjoyed his guest appearances on the CW. I really enjoy that an actor of a cancelled series can continue somewhere else in the same role.

EDIT Aragorn beat me, I type slow.

 

[Christopher]

My first reaction is that it's a bit surprising to see a professional demon-hunter and exorcist becoming a regular in a sci-fi time travel show, but on reflection, there's been a mystical component to the series from the start, first with the Hawks and their reincarnation saga (though that was somewhat rationalized as the influence of the Nth metal in the meteorite) and then with Vixen and her totem powers. And it's always been a pretty eclectic mix of character types from different genres. And, hey, if Zatanna can be in the Justice League, why not?

 

[dahj]

I hope they do an episode where Mick teaches him about the importance of teamwork...

 

[DavidFalkayn]

I wasn't expecting to like an episode about young Elvis much, but it turned out to be pretty nice. Though it was a little unclear what exactly the catalyst was for the change to history. Was the Death Totem guitar not there in the original history?

The guy playing young Elvis looked familiar. I've probably seen him on Riverdale, but I can't remember who he played. Anyway, his voice seemed to drop an octave when he sang, so I assume he was dubbed.

And the 1954 Memphis churchgoers were oddly unscandalized by Nick and Amaya's interracial romance. Would she and Wally even have been allowed in a white church? Given that the preacher uncle defined rock and roll, a genre that originated in black culture, as "the Devil's music," I doubt he was inclined toward racial tolerance.

In 1954 Memphis, no way an interracial couple would have been permitted in a white--or black for that matter--church. Same if the year was 1964. Even 1974 and 1984 (especially if it was a small church) you'd get dirty looks.

 

[Ovation]

In 1954 Memphis, no way an interracial couple would have been permitted in a white--or black for that matter--church. Same if the year was 1964. Even 1974 and 1984 (especially if it was a small church) you'd get dirty looks.

I think the “historical realism” ship sailed out in, oh, episode 2 of the first season (nah—it was never in port at all).

 

[Christopher]

By the way, I checked, and the place I've seen the Elvis actor (Luke Bilyk) before was Lost Girl. He played Dyson's son in the final season.

 

[Dick Whitman]

I think the “historical realism” ship sailed out in, oh, episode 2 of the first season (nah—it was never in port at all).

Which is why whenever these shows attempt to make social statements they feel flat. Arrowverse shows exists in a world were real world issues and effects on people are ignored... until the writers momentarily highlight to try to look realistic and important. Black Lightning is completely different.

EDIT compared to Quantum Leap. Very much a fantasy. It liked to have its "kisses with history" which often ignored reality for quick fun. Like Sam seeing a young Michael Jackson, who really was much younger that year. But QL was honest with multiple social issues of the time periods visited. Rascism, Sexism, Homophoba, etc.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

They're starting to pull out the couch for Constantine to stay but felt like a bit of a retread of the last run in with Mallus, possession and Constantine. Not bad but felt very familiar.

 

[Christopher]

Okay... why does the Waverider even have a "Nostromo mode"? Who would program the ship to lock down in a way that was specifically designed to be dark and scary? Of course, the sheer nuttiness of that is what makes it fun. The show isn't even trying to justify its pop-culture nods anymore; it just goes ahead and does them.

I love watching Caity Lotz do fight moves. She is incredibly graceful and athletic, and she moves in a very striking and impressive way, as you'd expect from an actress who's both a martial artist and a dancer. She had some awesome moves here, especially that one where she sort of climbed up the wall and jumped over her opponent (getting a bit of Lotz's parkour skill in there too). Unlike Wally, though, I wasn't digging the silver hair. I could barely recognize her in that makeup. Changing her eye color in particular made her look very different. I hadn't consciously realized how important those piercing, bright eyes are to her looks, but now that I've stopped to think about it, it's obvious.

It was unexpected seeing Ava and Gary be the ones to team up with Constantine -- an unusual combination. Although it was refreshing to see someone finally be nice to Gary, and for him to get a bit of a redemptive moment.

I note that the composers are still using Bear McCreary's Constantine theme as John's leitmotif, which is really cool. They probably have to pay McCreary royalties (at least I hope so), so it's nice that they'd go to the extra expense to keep that bit authentic.