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Captain Marvel (2019)

The easy way out is silly-assed video game / Power Rangers-esque films (most of the MCU) where jokes and explosions are a substitute for characters and story being motivators for the action.
 
The easy way out is

The outdated, pretentious and self-important way FoX-Men and DCEU do things, as opposed to the naturalistic, unpretentious and unashamed approach the MCU revolutionized CBMs with. Instead of the villains driving everything and being the only real characters, the MCU makes it clear the heroes are the leads and stuff comes from THEIR actions, good or bad.

Grow a thicker skin.
 
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The easy way out is silly-assed video game / Power Rangers-esque films (most of the MCU) where jokes and explosions are a substitute for characters and story being motivators for the action.
I'm starting to think you're not watching the same Marvel movies I am, because the one's I've seen have had a ton of character development, and fairly in depth stories.



So ummm, anybody actually interested in talking about the Captain Marvel movie?
 
I'm starting to think you're not watching the same Marvel movies I am, because the one's I've seen have had a ton of character development, and fairly in depth stories.

He watched them, he's just too ashamed of them for having real costumes, heroes who aren't overshadowed by the villains, and embracing the wacky over-the-top nature of comics instead of creatively bankrupt stuff like The Dark Knight.
 
I have to admit to being a little annoyed by the negative comparison to video games. I'm a huge gamer, and these days most video games are just as deep as even the best movies. I'd honestly put games like the Uncharted, and Mass Effect series, and The Last of Us and Horizon: Zero Dawn right up there with the best big action movies.
 
The outdated, pretentious and self-important way FoX-Men and DCEU do things, as opposed to the naturalistic, unpretentious and unashamed approach the MCU revolutionized CBMs with. Instead of the villains driving everything and being the only real characters, the MCU makes it clear the heroes are the leads and stuff comes from THEIR actions, good or bad.

Grow a thicker skin.

Keep selling yourself on that false belief all you like, but the reason CAP 1, 2 and Black Panther are the only jewels in the MCU crown is that they avoided the video gamey, cartoony nonsense and treat character and situations as close to real world terms as possible with fantasy. That began with respecting the requirement of adult character development, which is not having them bounce off the walls spewing inane soundbites while flashing disaster scenes crash around them. As it stands, no one......would dare make the hard prediction that the MCU's worst (so much of it) is something of high quality that will be worth revisiting a generation from now. They are in the same position as Independence Day, Total Recall, or other films that were hurling FX bombs and noise at the audience, but offering nothing of interest in the one thing every film of this kind needs: characters with believable emotions, reactions and motivations for whatever it is they're doing in a fantasy landscape. For examples, yes--watch CAP 1.2, and Black Panther again.
 
Keep selling yourself on that false belief all you like, but the reason CAP 1, 2 and Black Panther are the only jewels in the MCU crown

They're not, that's just your pretentiousness speaking. And your disgust with comic books. I'd rather have my character speaking naturalistic dialog than spew the pretentious trash Singer and Nolan give us.

Grow a thicker skin, throwback.

As it stands, no one......would dare make the hard prediction that the MCU's worst (so much of it) is something of high quality that will be worth revisiting a generation from now.

They have a success run that not even Pixar has managed. Certainly not something Fox or WB have managed.

Leave it to you and your outdated views, the Guardians of the Galaxy would be a delusional Biker Gang on Earth fighting other Bikers and the Asgardians would be a Cult of Delusional LARPers. And Iron Man would just be a Batman clone who needs his villains to be the real stars of his films because he doesn't have enough character to drive his own movie.
 
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Keep selling yourself on that false belief all you like, but the reason CAP 1, 2 and Black Panther are the only jewels in the MCU crown is that they avoided the video gamey, cartoony nonsense and treat character and situations as close to real world terms as possible with fantasy.
So are you just going to ignore what I said and continue to use the video game comparison? Just out of curiosity, do you actually play video games? I'm assuming from your dismissive attitude that you don't, and so don't actually know what the hell you're talking about.
That began with respecting the requirement of adult character development, which is not having them bounce off the walls spewing inane soundbites while flashing disaster scenes crash around them. As it stands, no one......would dare make the hard prediction that the MCU's worst (so much of it) is something of high quality that will be worth revisiting a generation from now. They are in the same position as Independence Day, Total Recall, or other films that were hurling FX bombs and noise at the audience, but offering nothing of interest in the one thing every film of this kind needs: characters with believable emotions, reactions and motivations for whatever it is they're doing in a fantasy landscape. For examples, yes--watch CAP 1.2, and Black Panther again.
Which Independence Day are we talking about here, the original, or Resurgence? The original is one of my all time favorite movies, and I thought it had some great characters.
 
Keep selling yourself on that false belief all you like, but the reason CAP 1, 2 and Black Panther are the only jewels in the MCU crown is that they avoided the video gamey, cartoony nonsense and treat character and situations as close to real world terms as possible with fantasy. That began with respecting the requirement of adult character development, which is not having them bounce off the walls spewing inane soundbites while flashing disaster scenes crash around them. As it stands, no one......would dare make the hard prediction that the MCU's worst (so much of it) is something of high quality that will be worth revisiting a generation from now. They are in the same position as Independence Day, Total Recall, or other films that were hurling FX bombs and noise at the audience, but offering nothing of interest in the one thing every film of this kind needs: characters with believable emotions, reactions and motivations for whatever it is they're doing in a fantasy landscape. For examples, yes--watch CAP 1.2, and Black Panther again.
To my eyes Black Panther was one of the most "Videogamey" inclusions in the series as far as structure and visuals. The hero was passively moving through the majority of it apart from the (more cartoony than most) action sequences while the supporting cast drove the story until it was time for him to put on the suit and punch some stuff. "Glad to see you made it through the tutorial level at the waterfall ceremony. Here's your new suit, hold (X) to release your stored energy, we upgraded it with a sneaking mode you can use by pressing (L1), and we made an extra evil looking one for the bad guy to use later. Now go see W'kabi, he was asking about you near the War Rhino training yard."
 
They're not, that's just your pretentiousness speaking. And your disgust with comic books.

Your juvenile nature leads you to believe all comics are as silly as the majority of the MCU. They are not, hence the reason the most celebrated and/or interesting comics over the past 30+ years, such as The Dark Knight Returns, Marvels, Kingdom Come, Truth: Red, White & Black, etc., respected the characters as thinking, feeling people instead of treating them like a hybrid of the Power Rangers & Spider-Man and His Amazing Friends.

Its not my problem you are so easily entertained by that, and have the need to defend the indefensible at every turn..

Grow a thicker skin, throwback.

Something for the moderators to deal with.

They have a success run that not even Pixar has managed. Certainly not something Fox or WB have managed.

I see you're one of the types who believe dollars earned = quality. So, by your sorry criteria, the Transformers series is a home run that will soar across the ages as masterpieces of cinema. Gotcha.


So are you just going to ignore what I said and continue to use the video game comparison?

I use it because numerous games are in fact--silly and senseless. You named a few, but I argue that they are in the minority in terms of being serious/mature. Hell, occasionally, I've played various versions of the Resident Evil games, but I'm never going to elevate any of it to the quality of a film script that--in general--is trying to capture realistic relationships. On that note, the Resident Evil movies proved what happens when a game is mainlined into film--silly beyond belief.
 
Your juvenile nature leads you to believe all comics are as silly as the majority of the MCU. They are not, hence the reason the most celebrated and/or interesting comics over the past 30+ years, such as The Dark Knight Returns, Marvels, Kingdom Come, Truth: Red, White & Black,

Dark Knight Returns was loaded with silly moments, even Miller admitted he'd have had Batman fighting on giant typewriters of he got a 5th issues. Kingdom Come has little to it beyond the artwork.

You want a real good story, go read The New Frontier. It has a lot of the stuff you hate about the MCU in it so you better brace yourself.

Its not my problem you are so easily entertained by that, and have the need to defend the indefensible at every turn..

When it's your kind of head in the sand kind of criticism, it's almost fun to deflate.

I see you're one of the types who believe dollars earned = quality.

No, critical and audience reactions count for me. And the MCU has delivered, especially in how they took the hard way out instead of Nolan and Singers' approach. The one that nearly destroyed CBMs.

I use it because numerous games are in fact--silly and senseless.

I'm sorry you want every single MCU movie to be joyless, humorless, kill off the entire cast every film, etc. The typical pretentious nonsense.
 
I use it because numerous games are in fact--silly and senseless. You named a few, but I argue that they are in the minority in terms of being serious/mature. Hell, occasionally, I've played various versions of the Resident Evil games, but I'm never going to elevate any of it to the quality of a film script that--in general--is trying to capture realistic relationships. On that note, the Resident Evil movies proved what happens when a game is mainlined into film--silly beyond belief.
Some might be like what you describe, but they haven't been the majority in at least a couple decades. At this point the games with in depth stories and fully developed characters are by far the majority.
So here are a few more games with movie quality stories and characters:
The Jak series
The Ratchet & Clank series
The Infamous series
Star Wars: The Force Unleashed I & II
The Assassin's Creed series
 
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