Yeah, many got massive make overs, the trill pretty much went Klingon in reverse. The new klignons are not even a major overhaul of the TNG ones. Just them being bald makes it seem that way
Blame TMP or TNG they both did the same thing
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Yeah, many got massive make overs, the trill pretty much went Klingon in reverse. The new klignons are not even a major overhaul of the TNG ones. Just them being bald makes it seem that way
Blame TMP or TNG they both did the same thing
Huh, never recalled any major continuity issues with that one (we never saw 23rd century Earth, the Enterprise was said to have been upgraded and overhauled, and the Klingons were eventually explained -- remember, I came into the franchise long after TMP was made, so a lot of this stuff was always part of Star Trek for me).
True, but only one episode before a change, not hundreds.
Agreed, but the thing is that the designers made them bald because they imagined a different biology for the Klingons that doesn't work with the franchise, so the final results may generally be workable, but the reason that we got them in the first place is because the Powers That Be chose to contradict a pretty basic piece of canon. If they're willing to do that offscreen, that could bleed onscreen.
However, since the Klingon comic showed both, I'm settled with the problem being fixed for now (assuming that the comic doesn't make other mistakes or something). So, I'm going to have to fixate on Lorca's Horta, which he could not have gotten his hands on at all.
I don't think so, in a post-ENT world, there's no contradictions.
Yup, it was for me. I never got it, and it was never really expaliend at that point. I read Trek comics for years thinking Klingons were different aliens at times, before I saw TMP:
Does not matter how many and Trill are not the only race to get revamped.
They went with GR's idea from TMP, and one TNG kinda went with and got more and more armored as the shows went on. Really, hair never fit the lore other than a single line that used it. It was simply used as well "everyone has hair!". I would have left the hair myself, but I don't hate not having it and do not find it a major issue in any way.
Those are non-canon. I really think the easy fix is the argument virus if they are gonna keep that horrid storyline. Those with hair re arguments or have argument blood in them. Or hell, the Bald could be the current "fashion" or as simple as not all ethnicity have hair. As someone who shaves his head, its a minor thing to me
There never was a contradiction, post Joke we got massive retcon that made everyone look stupid and ignorant
The Klingons were in like 8-10 episodes of TOS/TAS before before they got the bumpy foreheads, not hundreds.
That's why it doesn't matter as much. Not nearly as much had been established by that point.
Oh, OK.
I had hair for 32 years before I started shaving my head.
How many episodes was Sisko in before he went bald?
You know what bugs me most about the new Klingon design? The ears. I don't like how they blend into the rest of the head. Visually it's unappealing and for a warrior race they must have extremely poor hearing. I don't let it annoy me to the point that I declare Discovery part of a separate universe or timeline though.
I mean, if TPTB had said it was a separate timeline from the start, I'd be cool with that too. But they've said Prime, and I'm rolling with that. Doesn't affect my enjoyment either way.
Keep in mind that this is just entertainment.
Pretty much my view as well It is entertaining and that's sufficient, mostly because that is Star Trek's whole purpose!
The ears do not bug me, I m not sure how their worlds heavier gravity would effect sound, but not all predators have great sound. We know from lore they hunt by smell, sight and those viper heat sensing pits. They do not need super hearing to have improved senses for hunting.
Those lizard looking Jem' hadar don't have visible ears either yet they're supposed to be perfect warriors.
You know what, there's a degree of subjectivity to what will annoy people and not. The Trill don't annoy me (I think the DS9 look is better and I have no problem assuming two racial variants in this case for some reason), while the DSC Klingons do (I think it's has to do more with the behind-the-scenes reasons and lack of having old Klingons also represented).
The TMP Klingons had hair, too, as I recall. (It became kind of a signature look for them -- long hair and a beard, which may be why the DSC ones look so odd to some of us; try imagining a Star Trek show where the Borg use sleek white and silver Apple-like technology instead of the kludgy black cybernetics we all know.)
Let's not dredge up that debate again (if them being "non-canon" simply means that they can be overwritten at a moment's notice, I don't find that status being very meaningful since that's how DSC is treating genuine canon materials as well, but to each their own). In any event, tie-ins are supposed to be canon compliant, so having a hairy Klingon in a DSC comic means that it's considered consistent with the TV show, which means that DSC fits with the rest of the franchise at least on that point.
Since ENT (and the post-TOS programs) showed that non-affected Klingons had hair, I don't think that would work. At best, a hairless subspecies would be the way to go if the DSC Klingons must be bald by biology.
I prefer that explanation over the behind-the-scenes reasoning, since it would work with canon (only raising the question why we've never seen TOS Klingons, old ridged Klingons, and DSC Klingons onscreen together and each type seems to be the vast majority in each case, but that's I think that's fair to ignore given the real world reasons). At the end of the day, I've come to conclude that the Klingon makeup itself can fit as is right now (even if I feel that the reason behind it existing in the first place proves that the Powers That Be are not following their claims to be keeping to canon). Frankly, at this moment, Lorca's Horta is my main pet peeve, given that that is a direct canon violation for no good reason with no good answer. (Is Lorca's Horta actually a real Horta -- or just an Easter egg that's "really" supposed to be something else? The Memory Alpha Wiki says nothing about DSC on the Horta article.)
Lorca probably found it. Considering how much of the Galaxy the Terrans own, they probably found the Horta before us.
Hoshi knew about tribbles about 115 years before Kirk and his crew did so Mirror Lorca getting his hands on a live or deceased Horta hatchling isn't that big a deal. He's a sinister refugee from another universe who's into dark and ominous medical experiments. He clearly had methods of getting things.
If anyone doesn't think of DSC as the Prime Timeline... then how about the Megatron Timeline?
I'm fine with that. Why not? Why are looks immutable?
Exactly. And Lorca might have enjoyed Horta eggs as a delicacy. So he picked one up.
Oh man, now I want that.
In both cases, I would blame excessive rugby.
Isn’t it pretty much One in VOY. And the caeliar in the books.
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