That's even worse. Never mind disabling the lift or removing the oxygen, how about just blowing the hatch and sucking them all out into space?
A Serious Flaw In The Bridge Design?
- Thread starter Spock's Barber
- Start date
That's even worse. Never mind disabling the lift or removing the oxygen, how about just blowing the hatch and sucking them all out into space?
The Naked Now
Stardate: 41209.2
Original Airdate: 5 Oct, 1987
RIKER: You were right. Somebody blew the hatch. They were all sucked out into space.
DATA: Correction, sir, that's blown out.
RIKER: Thank you, Data.
DATA: A common mistake, sir.
DATA: Correction, sir, that's blown out.
RIKER: Thank you, Data.
DATA: A common mistake, sir.
How is that any different from the cannibalization of old WWII pistols or the infamous Grass Valley video switcher on the Death Star in Star Wars?
Sure, if you go around trying to ID everything it starts to destroy suspension of disbelief...so don't do that. It's self-defeating. It's aspirational fantasy more than speculative fiction, and that's fine if you appreciate that sort of thing. I sure as hell did when I was a kid.
BTW, if you hate repurposing items you must really hate Space Patrol Orion with the plastic cups hanging from the ceiling and the iron (assuming you know about that show). To me, it's all make-believe. You have to work with it a little.
Last edited:
I don't see FJ giving the bridge dome an egress hatch. Are you looking at the three boxes marked EL, for Environmental Suit Locker? FJ added that to the Technical Manual version as an afterthought (it's not in his original Blueprints package), but it's not a hatch.
The nearest space door in FJ is the large telescope hatch in the ceiling of Deck 2.
Because the most of the sets and machines in Star Wars (1977) were designed from the ground up, instead of using machines that appeared In endless TV series and movies as then-contemporary or "futuristic" consoles/machines, etc. nor were they so old, that on first sight, its recognized as old and takes the viewer out of the story.
Its not about trying to ID props, but certain producers recycling so much (Irwin Allen at the top of the list) that you cannot buy that the Jupiter II is some advanced ship from 1997 when its components also drive the Seaview (with the in-series start date of the early 1970s), and also power The Time Tunnel set in 1968.
Remember, those three Allen series overlapped during their network runs, so viewers saw the same, old props and machines on three series taking place all over the century. Oh, and if that was not glaring enough, many of those same props/machines were also part of the Batcave on Dozier's Batman--also first run in the same period.
.
OK lets not panic here, I may have been wrong about the exit to space. However the major flaw of the bridge design is that the bridge is actually at the top front of the ship - a perfect target for incoming fire..
I'm looking at my FJ manual again and on the next page it has a secondary exit pictured where I thought the exit to space was + a service corridor (whatever that is).
As regards to LIS. I love the Jupiter 2, the way it tilts in space - the big view screen, the chariot, the force field, the robot, the whole ship design is beautiful even after all these years.
I never thought they could fit everything into the ship. I always thought it too short to have 2/3 levels although I admit their quarters were very small but they had to have somewhere to shower etc, somewhere to have the engines, to store the food and water.
I didn't care just as I don't care or even realise at the time the Galileo was just too short to stand in.Love the Galileo too but still can't understand why the shuttles aren't aerodynamic.
On first sight? Really? I guess for you but I haven't memorized the appearance of every piece of military or aviation gear from the 40s and 50s. Ignorance is bliss, I guess.
What bothers you doesn't necessarily bother other people. That Burroughs blinkenlight console appearing everywhere makes it ICONIC. Also, the different shows recycling props make them feel as though somehow they're all in a shared universe, or a series of related parallel universes. I know sci-fi fans can be obsessive but there are other ways to channel that besides bashing the work that went into a show, like going this route:
Everything is a perfect target for firing on, on a Federation starship; the Bridge is the least of the problems. Even with the senior staff taken out, others can still operate the ship, including Scotty from Engineering (assuming he's not on the Bridge when it's shot out).
- There's the warp nacelles, which can lead to the ship destructing.
- You can target Engineering, which can destabilize the warp core and blow the ship.
- You can target the thin dorsal fin and blow the ship in two, taking out the impulse engines and leaving the stardrive section with only warp.
- You can target the photon torpedo launcher and blow other unfired torpedoes.
- And, of course, the ship is so small, it wouldn't take too much fire once the shields are down, to just wreck havoc on the ship.
There are a couple of publications that have multiple technical cutaway drawings of the J2 in various different sizes to show how big it would have to be for the one, two, and three-deck arrangements. Problem being, we can see how big the upper deck interior is, so to fit a 3-deck layout with deck 1 centered, the windshield well would have to be something like 10 feet long.
You think the captain is not all that important and interchangeable with Ensign Ricky especially in a battle situation.
I suppose when the bridge is blown out Scotty will have nothing better to do than run the battle from engineering.
Yes as a captain I'd probably target weapons and engines first but as the battle became personal it would be the bridge I'd target next.
No one has to memorize anything if its (ab)used over and over again, as in the case of Irwin Allen series.
I'm far from the first to notice/ criticize that.
Where you see it as iconic, I see it as Allen being so notoriously cheap that he was willing to compromise the visual world building to save a quarter. Remember, this is the same guy who had to be convinced (with some effort) to NOT re-use the Jupiter II miniature as the Spindrift from Land of the Giants. LiS just ended in Spring of 1968. LOTG made its debut in September of the same year. What made him think no one would notice the then-well known LIS ship was recycled?
Just more evidence of saving pennies being more important to Allen than quality (at least in those TV years).
That's correct as production drawings from 1968 clearly showed the little people and their spaceship (the Jupiter 2) amongst the giant grass along with giant cats and such!
JB
JB
What? Me?! Obsessed??!!!
Nice! Is that replica yours?
Did it come from http://www.lostinspacerobot.com/index.html ?
Information, please.
And it wasn't just Irwin Allen. According to Starring the Computer, Burroughs B205 consoles appeared in what looks like about 30 productions. 20th Century Fox was especially keen to re-use them. One even shows up in Battle for the Planet of the Apes.
Apart from computers, the Jupiter 2 mock-up's landing legs are seen in Beneath the Planet of the Apes as pieces of Brent's crashed spaceship, and that wasn't Allen's doing, either.
Zap, no one said Allen was the only guilty party, but considering he did this in all four of his 60s TV productions over and again, he was--by far--the worst offender.
You mentioned Brent's ship in BTPOTA, but how would the POTA series--or that original film play if Taylor's ship was not the sleek William Creber design, but the Jupiter II miniature? Probably judged as a cheap move from a production that spent money on the "Ape-ups" and costuming, but lowballed right out of the gates by recycling a well known...flying saucer.
Yeah, it's mine. Though there is little in the shot to prove it, the replica stands within my lower den. I purchased from a fan in Florida who built it from parts made or offered by a dozen or more B9 fans. Before a firm got a license to construct and sell complete recreations, fans in the late 90s and early 00s would made and sell individual components leaving it to the end purchaser to assemble the parts. the person from whom I bought it had moved into a small condo where the Robot would "eat" too much room, so he put it up for sale. I just happened to spot it at the right time. While expensive, it cost NOWHERE near as much as those offered at the link you provided. Two of those cost as much as my house did in 1984!!!Nice! Is that replica yours?
Did it come from http://www.lostinspacerobot.com/index.html ?
Information, please.
That is so cool to own one. I thought your picture came from a convention or something.
Well at least the new Jupiter 2 looks big enough from the little we've seenThere are a couple of publications that have multiple technical cutaway drawings of the J2 in various different sizes to show how big it would have to be for the one, two, and three-deck arrangements. Problem being, we can see how big the upper deck interior is, so to fit a 3-deck layout with deck 1 centered, the windshield well would have to be something like 10 feet long.
C'mon guys, it's not just Allen recycling props amongst his shows, it's the fact they were all shot at Fox and so set pieces were routinely used and reused by different shows. The shows didn't own them: the studio did. Sci-fi is expensive so anything of the genre shot on the lot is going to dip into the same pool of props and set elements, that's why you see so much stuff shared between Batman and the Irwin Allen shows, et al.
The spacecraft that flew across the desert in Planet of The Apes may not have looked anything like the Jupiter 2 but it sure sounded like it! The stock music and sounds department of 20th Century Fox just reused their own catalogue! The engine sounds of the Jupiter were also heard in The Time Tunnel too, another of Irwin's shows for Fox!
JB
