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A New Beginning

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Who here would like to see a proper origins story to Star Trek rather than what we got with Enterprise? A reimagining of mankind's reason for it's first adventure to the stars with no Klingons or the rest of them. Where all the aliens are just more or less advanced Humans more or less. Trek did this very well. So did the original Battlestar Galactica and Buck Rogers.

Or is everyone happy moving forward more except for Disco?
 
I started a thread in here about a Ring Ship series, which is pretty much this.

Just humans feeling their way through the big black, finding lots of empty worlds, barren worlds, primitive worlds, extinct words. But no Klingons.

What bothered me about Enterprise was it’s portrayal of thriving interstellar commerce and communities on our cosmic doorstep, but Earth was just ignored for millennia. It might have been recovering from global nuclear war, but it was still rich pickings for any passing race. What was left to explore?
 
Who here would like to see a proper origins story to Star Trek rather than what we got with Enterprise? A reimagining of mankind's reason for it's first adventure to the stars with no Klingons or the rest of them. Where all the aliens are just more or less advanced Humans more or less. Trek did this very well. So did the original Battlestar Galactica and Buck Rogers.

Or is everyone happy moving forward more except for Disco?
I sincerely hope Disco crashes and burns. It is not a real TOS prequel (and I do not give a damn about "it's canon if CBS says so").

If we're to have a real prequel, then adapt the novel Federation (the portions that show Zephram Cochrane's life before he ended up stuck on the Companion's world). After that, I want the adventures of Captain Robert April and Sarah Poole (shown in the TAS episode "The Counter-Clock Incident").
 
I sincerely hope Disco crashes and burns. It is not a real TOS prequel (and I do not give a damn about "it's canon if CBS says so").
If you don't like the prequels, why want another one? If this prequel fails, what are the odds they will do another one?
 
From what I read, @Timewalker is theorising about what would've been a better take on a Pre-TOS series, one actually in line with what's come before from other canon/semi-canon sources. But that's my interpretation.

Personally I love the idea of the adventures of Robert April, maybe his first taste of commanding a ship with the series ending on his being given command of the Enterprise and heading off on his own five-year mission.
 
If you don't like the prequels, why want another one? If this prequel fails, what are the odds they will do another one?
@Bry_Sinclair is correct. I wouldn't mind a prequel series (or movie) that's actually in line with what's already been established, or at least not easily refutable because it makes no sense in conjunction with what's already been established.

Captain Robert April is a character in the Animated Series. He was the first Enterprise captain, his successor was Christopher Pike, whose successor in turn was James Kirk.

Jonathan Archer need not apply, along with FakeSarek. The only way I can see either Enterprise or Disco is that they're alt-universe, and not connected to the Prime universe.

In truth, I don't need a prequel series. While it would have been fun to have a Captain April series, or even a Captain Pike series (problem being the casting of Pike, Spock, and Number One), prequels have the disadvantage of having to end up in a certain place and set of circumstances, if they're to remain true to the source material.
 
In truth, I don't need a prequel series. While it would have been fun to have a Captain April series, or even a Captain Pike series (problem being the casting of Pike, Spock, and Number One), prequels have the disadvantage of having to end up in a certain place and set of circumstances, if they're to remain true to the source material.
I think that is impossible.
 
We can dream at least.
Certainly and it doesn't stop me either. But it is unreasonable to expect a prequel to adhere perfectly to fan expectations. In my experience, there are simply too many expectations that fans have, from books, to lore and fan fiction and the like, for there to be acceptance of any deviation.
 
Which is why it has to be totally different, from the premise to the designs and the ship, etc to try better to keep in line with those norms while staying the same in essence. The formula was just fine or do you think that was played out too? The morality play and ethical conflict was at the heart of Trek or is that too unsustainable as well?
I believe the suspension of disbelief was ultimately broken by everything from the vision of the creators of the spin offs to the hokey aliens with bumps on their foreheads all speaking English. That is a major conceit for me. Now if they could explain that the aliens are all Human in some way, then I could understand it, or advanced Humans displaced as it were. Buck Rogers did this well. If they're gonna change the recipe, they should call it something else.
 
The formula was just fine or do you think that was played out too? The morality play and ethical conflict was at the heart of Trek or is that too unsustainable as well?
Any time something becomes formulaic, there is a potential for it being "played out."
 
Now if they could explain that the aliens are all Human in some way, then I could understand it, or advanced Humans displaced as it were.
In a future where universal translators come as standard with starship computers and communicators then it's understandable why aliens appear to speak English.
 
In a future where universal translators come as standard with starship computers and communicators then it's understandable why aliens appear to speak English.
Not to speak for the poster, but the aliens also actually speak in English mouth shapes. Most glaringly in this one is Spock and Saavik talking in the turbolift in TWOK in "Vulcan" only for the actors to actually be speaking English.

Say what you want about Klingons in Discovery and TUC, for that matter, but at least I felt like they were aliens at that point. At some point in time, that "suspension of disbelief" gets strained quite a bit with just English.
 
The morality play and ethical conflict was at the heart of Trek or is that too unsustainable as well?
No, not if done well. It can make for good drama. However, the characters should not be allowed cop outs, such as technobabble-ing their way out of a problem.
 
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Enterprise tried to be a little of everything. TOS and the first starship to go out there and find aliens. That didn't work for me. They wanted it both ways and down the middle too. It just embarrassed me.
 
I wish they'd do a new series like TNG DS9 or voyager, or furthering that storyline into the future a little (not too much).. instead of all these prequels and failed remakes. At least put interesting storylines & scripts like they used to have before the JJ Abrams era.
 
I started a thread in here about a Ring Ship series, which is pretty much this.

Just humans feeling their way through the big black, finding lots of empty worlds, barren worlds, primitive worlds, extinct words. But no Klingons.

What bothered me about Enterprise was it’s portrayal of thriving interstellar commerce and communities on our cosmic doorstep, but Earth was just ignored for millennia. It might have been recovering from global nuclear war, but it was still rich pickings for any passing race. What was left to explore?
Have a link for that? I'd like to see.
 
Not to speak for the poster, but the aliens also actually speak in English mouth shapes. Most glaringly in this one is Spock and Saavik talking in the turbolift in TWOK in "Vulcan" only for the actors to actually be speaking English.

Say what you want about Klingons in Discovery and TUC, for that matter, but at least I felt like they were aliens at that point. At some point in time, that "suspension of disbelief" gets strained quite a bit with just English.

Apart from distance between planets, travel time, time dilation, and everything else, the law of probability is that two species from other planets ever meeting-- one is far more likely going to win the lottery and compared to that it's easier to be splattered by a motorcar or probably even via motorbike or, better yet, miniscooter... But if they're watching Earth shows and seeing things as accurate as possible, forgetting about how many years in the future they would be compared to us... but I'm all over the map and need to get back to why our entertainment industry can only go so far with how aliens might look or why they can only do so much:

Here's the rub: Back then it was progressive to show languages other than English, translation computer, etc. If done incessantly or even for too long, it disrupts the flow of the art. Belief also gets strained if audiences can't understand what's going on, and given today's illiteracy rates the problems are worse than closed captioning of languages on a screen and there's a valuable market right there (over thirty two million people) to not bypass...

Here's the bigger rub: Another sci-fi show, around 1964 or 1965, did a story where the only humanoid characters were the Doctor and his companions. Everyone else was an actual alien, though the bees had earth mouthy things too. Even then, real bees have mouths and make buzz noises so it wasn't too far off in that regard.

Here's the problem regarding the bigger rub that also pertains to the other rub above: People found the story too confusing, not engaging, etc. Despite being experimental. Nobody was hostile to "The Web Planet" as such, but who needs sci-fi aliens to make a correlation to a lot of humanity's own rich past dealing with folk who don't look and sound identical and no difference is immune to that fact... since then, non-humanoid aliens have been relegated to comedy spoofs.

Then again, Doctor Who's "The Curse of Peladon" showed a mix and balance and all was well. Shame that Alpha Centauri's voice actor was told by the director to play it out in a (pejorative, based on stereotype) way... but if Alpha was to act in an Alphan way... so species-ism is inevitable for the sake of ratings because nobody is making this stuff for the sake of freedom.

But if aliens came down in real life, are they going to look like big bugs or lizards* for people to be apathetic or confused or instantly antagonistic against? Or will they try to look like us to prevent everyone from going nuts before they eat us (with nuts and a yummy raspberry vinagrette)? Which reminds, oddly, if sci-fi is some big conspiracy theory to prepare the masses for showing real life aliens, there's no evidence to show "grooming" of any sort. Only Hollywood making shows, even cashing in on how bad capitalism is.

Suspension of disbelief is a tightrope, not everybody walks the same one but it's still a rope allegorically. Which audiences serve the greatest good? A bunch of ropes or a single, more convenient, cheaper one?

Maybe "V" was the most accurate sci-fi show of them all, even if it took the cynical route** - it's not impossible for species to not live in harmony, usually in symbiotic relationships, many animal*** species engage in those things, which might be why Darwin didn't want to pay attention to that while writing his happy little laws?

Dang, my INTP is showing again. Need to stop drinking coffee and stick to INFP mode. :D

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** Again, for entertainment and ratings and what they're for, since humans and lizards sharing tea in a picnic will generally make for a very boring four hours, regardless if it's broken into two two-hour segments or not. Again, this is all for entertainment and not an actual documentary that would turn people off even more quickly than when they try to tune into CSPAN :D

*** animals don't get classified as "sentient", or there's a form of sentience humans haven't thought about yet?

* or worse, a fleet containing scores of fifty foot alien cows might pose an udder disengagement problem for viewers if they come down asking for a cup of sugar and to
proselytize the moon they jump over while the dish and spoon ran off to do unspeakable things, often with cereal and milk... And now that all that popped into my mind, imagine the cow milk scene from "The Last Jedi" being what the movie was about and given one hundred twenty minutes of time instead of a mere two... talk about a plot that never does anything, much less moo-ves forward... :guffaw:
 
Non-humanoid aliens (or "Starfish Aliens" per TV Tropes) are problematic. What does the average human have in common with one? In a few TOS episodes, it turned out that it was possible to find common ground (near the end of the episode) with a Horta or a Gorn. But how many episodes can you otherwise do with the same species?

In one episode, Silent Enemy (ENT), the aliens remained an enigma. But again, how many episodes can you otherwise do with the same species?
 
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