That makes zero sense.
TMP came after TOS. Of course TMP would look more advanced overall.
The narrative required TMP to be a reinvention, since it was essentially a sequel to TOS. An evolution of TOS.
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That makes zero sense.
TMP came after TOS. Of course TMP would look more advanced overall.
The narrative required TMP to be a reinvention, since it was essentially a sequel to TOS. An evolution of TOS.
I'm talking attitude, overall feel of the characters, etc.
Technology can change in ten years. It does happen. Does it fit perfectly? No, of course not. Neither does how the TMP uniforms go from TOS. One tracks about as well as the other.
I have no issue with visual retcons, because it's always been clear that we're not seeing on the screen "Trek as it happens" but "Trek as dramatized for TV."
A good example of this is the universal translator. Although the device is, frankly magic (no universal translator would work without being able to read minds) even if you accept that it still makes no sense as shown on the screen, as it not only translates dialogue, but makes it so the lips of those speaking an alien tongue match the translated speech. This is because we aren't seeing exactly what is happening in the "real world" of Trek, but an approximation of it.
Continuity errors are another matter entirely. Aside from the practical issues with the Klingon makeup, I dislike the redesign not because it's different from past shows, but because it goes against numerous elements established in the past.
1. DS9 decided to make it clear that TOS-era Klingons actually looked different from Berman-era Klingons
2. Enterprise provided a canonical answer to this with the augment virus,
3. Lots of minor elements of Trek stories made it clear Klingons have hair (the legend of the Sword of Kahless, Worf's adoptive mother talking about him growing out his hair, etc).
A good example of this is the universal translator. Although the device is, frankly magic (no universal translator would work without being able to read minds) even if you accept that it still makes no sense as shown on the screen, as it not only translates dialogue, but makes it so the lips of those speaking an alien tongue match the translated speech. This is because we aren't seeing exactly what is happening in the "real world" of Trek, but an approximation of it.
Continuity errors are another matter entirely. Aside from the practical issues with the Klingon makeup, I dislike the redesign not because it's different from past shows, but because it goes against numerous elements established in the past.
1. DS9 decided to make it clear that TOS-era Klingons actually looked different from Berman-era Klingons
2. Enterprise provided a canonical answer to this with the augment virus,
3. Lots of minor elements of Trek stories made it clear Klingons have hair (the legend of the Sword of Kahless, Worf's adoptive mother talking about him growing out his hair, etc).
It's just a current fashion/style in the Klingon Empire to be hairless.
General Chang never got out of the 2250's apparently.
1. Not every Klingon was affected, as it wasn't discussed with outsiders, and largely unrecognized by Starfleet personnel, Bashier most notably.
2. Augment virus didn't infect every Klingon.
3. Legends evolve with cultures. Why are Klingons so monolithic and not allowed variance?
Totally respect that. Which is why art affects people in different ways. We all have different tastes. Which is honestly why I personally have a hard time suggesting that art can be looked at objectively... for me. Others can. Good for them. We all have different experiences which bring us to where we are when we consume media. You can have a crappy day and get uplifted by a comedy. You can just have been dumped and find solace in a romantic movie. Art can make you think. It can change your perceptions. Its all very powerful. Does it all do it all the time? No. But it can. Which is why I have a hard time with strictly objectively looking at any form of art.
I like to equate it this way: There are 700+ Star Trek adventures. We all have our favorites. We all have those we can't stand. I would find it hard to believe that everyone's top 10 list is the same. Oh sure, there might be a lot of crossover. But shocker of shockers... I find what many consider the best Star Trek movie to be terribly overrated. Yeah. Wrath of Khan. I think its a fine movie. I enjoy it. But for me, it is not the end all, be all movie I think many make it out to be. I know my opinion is in the minority. I also know some share it with me. Its a subjective opinion. Just like whether or not people can watch Discovery and rate it anywhere between a 1 and a 10. Its THEIR subjective opinion.
Just my $0.02.
Sometimes, it's just that simple isn't it?
I find myself in the minority on a number of different Trek elements. I love TFF. I think TOS S3 is great. I don't hate TNG S1. I think TUC is grossly overrated. I don't think NEM is the worst movie ever made. "Measure of a Man" is boring and unremarkable.
Art and entertainment all affect and impact people differently. No right or wrong about it.
Damn right!
I don't see what's so great about STIV. Too much of the humor revolves around "fish out of water" circumstances - basically the crew doing embarrassing things because they don't understand the 1980s. Ever since I was a child, I've found watching others in embarrassing situations not funny, but cringe-worthy.
In general, I don't find that "Action Trek" has aged well. I mean, Yesterday's Enterprise and Best of Both Worlds Part 1 are good episodes, but not great ones.
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I would agree with you on all points. Other people find these to be the best of the best. That’s subjectivity.
Thank you for demonstrating how subjective this all is
And if DSC had allowed for these three considerations on screen, that would've been great. Imagine that!
Instead, every.single.Klingon in the show, without exception, was depicted with a bald, egg-shaped head and four nostrils. DSC could've shown Klingon society to be more diverse, both visually and culturally, and that diversity probably would've been pretty interesting to explore. It didn't do that. Any means of reconciling its depiction with anything we know about Klingons from past Trek remains purely speculative at this point.
Was it perfect? No way.
Was it still fantastic? Yes!
It was new Star Trek on tv and it feels like a luxury to have it. Sorry, but I loved every ep. I really did. If I had more time now I’d debate it. So I’ll just leave this here.
Was it still fantastic? Yes!
It was new Star Trek on tv and it feels like a luxury to have it. Sorry, but I loved every ep. I really did. If I had more time now I’d debate it. So I’ll just leave this here.
I'm ok with speculative.
Overall, I liked Season 1 a lot, but it was far from perfect. Starting the series with a war was a mistake and as I've said in other threads, one that the writers realised pretty early on as they didn't really commit to it. I think the behind the scenes shenanigans affected the show a fair bit and does come through in how rushed everything felt. Having said that, when I compare the Discovery to the first seasons of other trek incarnations it stands out by a country mile in terms of sheer enjoyment factor. I find TNG season 1 completely unwatchable, DS9's first season is laborious and a chore and I tend to skip it when i do rewatches, Voyager's first season is ok for the most part and Enterprise season 1 was a total non-event and I can't watch it. I've just started watching TOS season 1 and loving it, so i think once all is done and dusted, TOS will be at number one and Discovery will take the second spot.
I'm giving season one a 7. There was a lot I liked, stuff I didn't but overall the series has potential. Even though the season finale was subpar, i feel like it heralds a new beginning for the series. The focus is going to be on exploration next year, and I can't wait to see what is in store.
I'm giving season one a 7. There was a lot I liked, stuff I didn't but overall the series has potential. Even though the season finale was subpar, i feel like it heralds a new beginning for the series. The focus is going to be on exploration next year, and I can't wait to see what is in store.
Bam! Differences of opinion about Star Trek right there! I knew, besides just ENT, they were out there.
Strike 1
Strike 2
I liked it
I can see that
agreed
Strike 3, you are out.
Just kidding. it's all good
9/10.
My favourite first season of any Trek series, and one of my favourite seasons of any Trek series.
Love the cast (particularly Isaacs, Jones and Latif), characters (Saru, Tilly and Lorca as the standouts, but Stamets is growing on me), music (within episodes; not a fan of the main theme), visual presentation and writing.
Beyond that, I love that it has appealed to colleagues and relatives who previously weren't fans. Some have gone on to watch other series, while others have just stuck with Discovery, but it is so exiting to be able to talk about the show with people.
Having said that, I go into next season with some trepidation after the apparent loss of Isaacs and Latif, and the mawkish end to the season. I'd hate to see Discovery toss aside its identity and become a generic Trek series in a misguided attempt to appeal to people who will never come around to it.
Still, they've delivered so far, and I hope they can continue to do so.
My favourite first season of any Trek series, and one of my favourite seasons of any Trek series.
Love the cast (particularly Isaacs, Jones and Latif), characters (Saru, Tilly and Lorca as the standouts, but Stamets is growing on me), music (within episodes; not a fan of the main theme), visual presentation and writing.
Beyond that, I love that it has appealed to colleagues and relatives who previously weren't fans. Some have gone on to watch other series, while others have just stuck with Discovery, but it is so exiting to be able to talk about the show with people.
Having said that, I go into next season with some trepidation after the apparent loss of Isaacs and Latif, and the mawkish end to the season. I'd hate to see Discovery toss aside its identity and become a generic Trek series in a misguided attempt to appeal to people who will never come around to it.
Still, they've delivered so far, and I hope they can continue to do so.
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