The "don't grab women, sweetheart" seemed to be an obvious reference to the #MeToo movement.
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The "don't grab women, sweetheart" seemed to be an obvious reference to the #MeToo movement.
That's true. Proably should have had the guy be a henchmen instead of just some guy doing his job, though or we suppose to think the security people were just bad guy lackeys? The show doesn't always think through it's metaphors Kind of like the building a wall line even though Wonder Woman is the president in that universe. Then again I don't think they really consider the nerd interest in seeing tv shows almost like real places. I think they have a more old school tv way of doing it where you don't really care about the setting all that much. Just the emotions you create and messages you send. Basically your not suppose to take the show all that seriously.
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I agree. The reference did not fit the situation. The writers seem to like to insert, some might say shoehorn, contemporary political statements into the show even when the statements don't fit the narrative.
Cat Grant's TV appearances in the season premiere had her scathingly tearing down the absurd, Trumpish rhetoric of "the Speaker," implying that on Earth-38, it's the Speaker of the House and his bloc in Congress who are advancing that kind of policy and ideology. Which isn't really that different from the real-world situation. After all, Congress makes the laws; the President's only Constitutionally defined legislative role is the power of the veto, and in practice the President "sets the agenda" by trying to persuade Congress to pass the laws he or she proposes (and yes, that's an oversimplification). And we've certainly seen in the recent past how a POTUS from one party can be stymied by resistance from a Congress led by the opposition party. So "the Speaker" on Earth-38 could have a lot of sway to advance anti-immigration policies and laws even over the objections of President Marsdin.
Oh, the showrunners "thought" that scene out; it was clear the man was providing security, but he was reduced to the usual "male = evil" running theme of this series (again, nevermind the fact he was not some random grabby man, but security), hence Kara's misapplied line.
Actually, the showrunners are very much in step with current producing tendencies, such as hitting audience over the head with various agendas. Subtlety is an alien language in this era.
Morgan Edge was at a public fundraiser, a black tie gala for the Parks Conservancy, not at his office or his home. He could have someone standby and block a reporter from approaching him, but he has no right to have his employee grab and pull a reporter away as this one was doing.
If such a thing was legal, then Trump's old campaign manager, Corey Lewandowski, would not have been charged (yes, they were later dropped) with "simple battery" when he did something similar to Brietbart reporter Michelle Fields in 2016.
I understand that many on this board who have not experienced what many women have to deal with on a daily basis, may feel "taken out of the moment" when Kara et al have to deal with such "realities" in this caped crusader comic-drama but we who have dealt with this "stuff" for years do tend to cheer when our ladies put it down in no uncertain terms.
I have been challenged for being at work late since the security guard assumed the only women there that late were for illicit purposes where as men were expected to be there. I have had men who ranked "lower on the ranking scale" throw "Honey" at me when they damn well knew my name. (I threw "Sweetheart" right back at him and he had the smarts to come back and apologize after the shock wore off.)
It is not correct to assume everything is related to just the current political climate (#MeToo) nor is it correct to think adding political commentary has never been done before. Star Trek Voyager made fun of Prez Clinton's impeachment travails and Quantum Leap had Anita Hill do a cameo in a show about harassment after her testimony against Clarence Thomas. I do think it is ok to assume that in this day and age, a show called SuperGIRL will be more willing to call out sexism more than another show.
And if a big guy that most of us would not dare challenge gets put down in the process (think Indiana Jones shooting the big guy with the sword in Raiders of the Lost Ark), so much the better.
The line could have been ad-libed by Melissa Benoist who protested against the when tape of him bragging to billy bush came out so it's an issue that is of importance to her.
It could even be done with the same actor... alas as we have seen, light sabers can catch/deflect phasers.
That is quite true.
http://motto.time.com/5108458/supergirl-melissa-benoist-one-year-after-womens-march/
Is it like a holding call in football? You can block someone as long as they don't rush past you requiring you to grab them? Yes, I'm being flip but I'm also actually curious to the answer.
That guy was big enough that he could easily keep standing in her way to block her out IF she came too close. He has no right, however, to grab her on public property and pull her away, especially considering that she was still a good 15 to 20 feet away from Edge at the time.
Years ago, I was at a Star Trek convention in Cleveland. That night in the hotel bar, there was a commotion. It seems George Clooney was in town filming and was hanging out with friends that night. My friends and I did not approach, but we did sit about 20 feet away in the piano lobby with direct sightlines to GC.
Imagine if his bodyguard came up and grabbed us to move us away, because we were "too close" or because GC did not want us observing him even from afar.
Not cool.
George, on the other hand, was very cool and for the most part people did as we did and left him alone that night.
Years ago, I was at a Star Trek convention in Cleveland. That night in the hotel bar, there was a commotion. It seems George Clooney was in town filming and was hanging out with friends that night. My friends and I did not approach, but we did sit about 20 feet away in the piano lobby with direct sightlines to GC.
Imagine if his bodyguard came up and grabbed us to move us away, because we were "too close" or because GC did not want us observing him even from afar.
Not cool.
George, on the other hand, was very cool and for the most part people did as we did and left him alone that night.
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Supergirl--
"Both Sides Now"
Kara/SG: You lose the element of surprise by kicking doors in, when a super-powered person could quietly life the doors off.
Who would expose their advantage (the earpieces) to the enemy? The point is the let the enemy believe they have the same, "proven" advantage, and once invested in that, they will be caught off guard by the heroes not succumbing to the attack.
Julia "Purity" Freeman: Singing a horrible song.
Not much to her human self explored here, which would have gone some way in making the audience care about her plight.
Alex: Irrational behavior again--aiming a gun at a frightened woman who is supposed to be super-powered. She did not know if Freeman was acting in that moment, so it was a boneheaded move that could have ended with several people killed.
"Not all of us are bulletproof" Really? You would not know she cares about that for the endless times Alex runs head first into people firing guns, or using superpowers as if she's Kara. Convenient plotting to create conflict, and before this episode, no one ever admonished Alex for foolishly risking her life in ways no ordinary human should....
....and on that note, Reign. Yep. About time..
Lena: "Looking forward to getting my hands dirty again" That's right. Now that she's analyzing Samantha's behavior, why does it seem she's going to weaponize her now that she realizes Samantha is Reign?
James: Who??"
Mon-El: Saturn Girl's "just speaking the truth", the bickering with Mon-El, and not choosing their marriage, and now, SG has concealed the real reason for the Legion mission....UGH. As if this transparent crap is not going back into the TeenNick zone with Kara breaking up a marriage.
NOTES:
Next week (2/11/18) Legends takes over the Monday/8 PM slot from Supergirl.
Star Trek swiping: protagonists trying to reach an imprisoned, altered being, losing their true identity...hmm....
The Reign/Wordkiller arc needs to go somewhere...and not just another "Big Bad for the season does not mean anything significant, other than opening doors to soap opera plots" as in the Myriad arc...the Mon-El's mommy arc....
The DEO agents/guards are the most predictably useless collection of "trained" personnel ever seen in a superhero series. Honestly, they never win any fight. The only difference between them and Star Trek's "redshirts" is that they do not die as often.
GRADE: C-
"Both Sides Now"
Kara/SG: You lose the element of surprise by kicking doors in, when a super-powered person could quietly life the doors off.
Who would expose their advantage (the earpieces) to the enemy? The point is the let the enemy believe they have the same, "proven" advantage, and once invested in that, they will be caught off guard by the heroes not succumbing to the attack.
Julia "Purity" Freeman: Singing a horrible song.
Not much to her human self explored here, which would have gone some way in making the audience care about her plight.
Alex: Irrational behavior again--aiming a gun at a frightened woman who is supposed to be super-powered. She did not know if Freeman was acting in that moment, so it was a boneheaded move that could have ended with several people killed.
"Not all of us are bulletproof" Really? You would not know she cares about that for the endless times Alex runs head first into people firing guns, or using superpowers as if she's Kara. Convenient plotting to create conflict, and before this episode, no one ever admonished Alex for foolishly risking her life in ways no ordinary human should....
....and on that note, Reign. Yep. About time..
Lena: "Looking forward to getting my hands dirty again" That's right. Now that she's analyzing Samantha's behavior, why does it seem she's going to weaponize her now that she realizes Samantha is Reign?
James: Who??"
Mon-El: Saturn Girl's "just speaking the truth", the bickering with Mon-El, and not choosing their marriage, and now, SG has concealed the real reason for the Legion mission....UGH. As if this transparent crap is not going back into the TeenNick zone with Kara breaking up a marriage.
NOTES:
Next week (2/11/18) Legends takes over the Monday/8 PM slot from Supergirl.
Star Trek swiping: protagonists trying to reach an imprisoned, altered being, losing their true identity...hmm....
The Reign/Wordkiller arc needs to go somewhere...and not just another "Big Bad for the season does not mean anything significant, other than opening doors to soap opera plots" as in the Myriad arc...the Mon-El's mommy arc....
The DEO agents/guards are the most predictably useless collection of "trained" personnel ever seen in a superhero series. Honestly, they never win any fight. The only difference between them and Star Trek's "redshirts" is that they do not die as often.
GRADE: C-
Well that is an odd way to leave the show before a long 9 week break. That was obviously not planned as any cliffhanger of real significance. But no trailer or notice of the date the show will return. This is a long and unexpected break. They should have given us a teaser to keep interest going.
I dunno, it felt like a pretty big moment in the narrative to me. Supergirl and the DEO discover that the Worldkillers are not pure evil but are decent people, and Supergirl commits to saving them -- that in itself is a paradigm shift. And Lena has obviously figured out that Sam is Reign -- "I know what's wrong with you." So that's also a major, game-changing revelation. Meanwhile, we have the cliffhanger of Imra telling Mon-El that being in the past is not an accident, that there's a real mission they haven't told him about.
Plus we got a couple of pretty big action sequences of the kind you expect in a midseason finale, including an attack on the DEO itself and a major battle in a public place. That made it feel like a bigger-than-average episode to me.
Although the ending of the fight scene was weird. J'onn just walked away from the broken column as if it were fixed, even though the top half was still just sitting loose upon the bottom half.
I loved the mention of the "Cincinnati Conservatory," i.e. the College-Conservatory of Music at the University of Cincinnati -- the alma mater of my father and a college friend of mine, and home of what's regarded as the finest theater school in the country. Although it's kind of weird to hear a real city name in a DC show. You'd think the DC equivalent of Cincinnati would be something like Queen City (our nickname).
Interesting. I had never heard of that nickname for Cincinnati before. I wonder if my hometown Milwaukee would be known by its nickname Cream City. Which surprisingly is not at all tied to Wisconsin being the Dairy State. Rather for the yellow, creamed colored bricks most buildings in town were built with in the 19th Century.
For Supergirl, I thought the writing and performances were pretty natural and on point tonight. Very few false notes IMO and I thought the action was decently executed and I liked the teamwork aspect with the flanking and what not. And sort of a reverse Bechdel or something as there were even some decent moments between the guys. The actress playing Julia/Purity did a nice job as well playing both sides of the character.
The full nickname is "Queen City of the West," or sometimes "Queen of the West," the latter of which was immortalized in a poem by Longfellow in 1854. It was called that due to the city's rapid growth in the first few decades after its founding in 1790. For a while, we were the largest non-coastal city in the US. We were even called the Rome of the West, and thus we're known as the City of Seven Hills, even though we have dozens of hills (or rather, we have a valley carved by a glacier, and the "hills" are the formerly ground-level parts that were left after the glacier retreated). If I recall my history right, we eventually lost our dominant status in the region to Chicago because it somehow ended up becoming a railway hub instead of us.
This was one of the best episodes this season.
Lena should have shit canned Reign 3 episodes ago... Or put Sam on a medical sabbatical for the foreseeable future, if Lena wanted to be nice about not leaving a person who blacks out for days, in charge of her trillion dollar company.
Am I the only one who loved Wynn's green and orange toy ray-gun when he was in the DEO van in the teaser? Made me think of Wash in Firefly. 
I am doubtful that Lena has figured out Sam is Reign. She didn't look nearly half as scared as she should be, if she thought the woman who nearly killed Supergirl was standing in front of her. I wonder if she just thinks Sam is exhibiting multiple personality disorder, her very own Sibyl. A problem for sure, but not one that could potentially kill her and her (other) best friend.
I am doubtful that Lena has figured out Sam is Reign. She didn't look nearly half as scared as she should be, if she thought the woman who nearly killed Supergirl was standing in front of her. I wonder if she just thinks Sam is exhibiting multiple personality disorder, her very own Sibyl. A problem for sure, but not one that could potentially kill her and her (other) best friend.
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