It isn't something we've ever seen in the Klingons before. It is a massive change to how they were presented prior to Discovery in the franchise. And it isn't just one or two, it is the whole lot of them.
Poll Do You Believe STD Is Actually a Reboot [After Seeing It]?
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It isn't something we've ever seen in the Klingons before. It is a massive change to how they were presented prior to Discovery in the franchise. And it isn't just one or two, it is the whole lot of them.
Just because we haven't seen it before doesn't mean it doesn't exist. This is odd logic, at best, because human beings are a large and diverse species, but Klingons are expected to remain monolithic? Seriously, why?
I bought a pair of Soft Reboots once. They're very handy in winter. And fit perfectly!
Because it is a TV show? We base our reactions to characters and situations based on the traits established in the material. All of the material up to the point of Discovery show Klingons as clear and concise speakers, in both Klingon and English. Now? All of a sudden we have an Empire full of people who can barely speak their own language clearly. It is a jarring disconnect for something that is supposed to be consistent with what came before.
If you read a novel for 24 chapters shows a group of people acting in a certain manner in how they look and speak, and then in chapter 25 it is completely changed for no particular reason, I imagine you would go "what the fuck?"
wait, is 'Klingons can't speak Klingon' today's 'Klingons don't have hair'?
You would imagine wrong.
By you logic, Klingons could be pink bunnies that speak Elvin next week and as long as the writers say it is the Prime universe, you'd be fine with it.
Imagine all the Klingons,
speaking thlingan hol,
Oh-oh ohoho
You my say, I'm a dreamer...
speaking thlingan hol,
Oh-oh ohoho
You my say, I'm a dreamer...
What we "believe" isn't relevant. The people who own and create Star Trek have said that it is not.
That pretty much kills it.
If anyone is emphatic about making it fit, that's on them. They can either gyrate around making that happen in their own minds, or turn around go the other way.
Seemed like most people made TMP and TNG fit, despite the massive changes those productions introduced to our fine-tuned sensibilities.
Simple, simple stuff.
That pretty much kills it.
If anyone is emphatic about making it fit, that's on them. They can either gyrate around making that happen in their own minds, or turn around go the other way.
Seemed like most people made TMP and TNG fit, despite the massive changes those productions introduced to our fine-tuned sensibilities.
Simple, simple stuff.
Because there is a reason why. Just because I don't know what it is, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
First of all, this isn't a severe departure for Klingons, save for the ridges covering the entire head, and the nostrils. They are not "pink bunnies." They look like Klingons, with some differences. So, your hyperbole is not getting across the basic point.
I have a suspension of disbelief, but when it is crossed, I do not throw up my hands and declare "It's a reboot" just because it doesn't match up perfectly to what has come before. Call it rationalization, filling in the plot holes, or what-have-you, but that's what I do.
Everyone has a suspension of disbelief. Mine is different than others. No, I would not blindly accept "pink bunnies as Klingon" nor do I know what "Elvin" is, so the point is completely lost to me. These Klingons are not "pink bunnies" and speak Klingonese (as it should be known in this time period) differently. That's it. And since I am pretty confident we have not seen every variant of Klingon, i'm willing to bend my line of suspension of disbelief a little bit further.
So, can we possibly save the hyperbole and argue the point at hand? Thanks
a singing chipmunk
Does it were a white suit and go "Uh-huh" and gyrate its hips?
that's not impossible, yes
Speaking of the '90s, I have to say Discovery is nothing like ReBoot.
Which is fine. But since this is the mid-23rd century we should also see Augment Klingons and TNG-style warriors so that we get a glimpse of the Empire as it's already known to exist in this timeframe. If people like their California Raisin Klingons with lockjaw then more power to them and I can buy that the Empire is diverse enough for this look to be common in some households and on some worlds under Klingon rule. But if this is how ALL Klingons are going to look then that's just pretty damn annoying for multiple reasons. Even if you buy into the visual reboot idea and even want a reboot of the look beause you don't like TOS Klingons or the Augment virus concept this is one crappy, overengineered and lumbering design that just doesn't work and is far more of a distraction than any Star Trek makeup needs to be.
On this point, I do agree. But, if this is just another variation of Klingons, from TOS, to TMP, to Chang and on and on, then I'm fine with it.
I don't mind the way they talk, their styling or anything like that. For me, it expands the Klingon culture in a way that was really necessary since the TNG monolith.
The Klingons look cool imo, throw hair on them and they would be fine. Beyond the fact we know at this point in time Ridged Klingons basically don't exist and have been wiped out by the Augment virus.
What is terrible about the Klingons are the ships. Why in hell do all the Klingon ships look like someone had a seizure in tiltbrush while smoking DMT? We see Klingon ships in ENT, we see Klingon ships in TOS, they look nothing, at all, like the Discovery Klingon ships. Whoever greenlit these ships, honestly fucked up, they are honestly some of the worst ship designs I've seen in my life.
Honestly it would make way more sense if Discovery was Kelvin. I have no idea why they are so instant on Prime Timeline.
The show imo is a soft reboot set in the Prime Timeline.
What is terrible about the Klingons are the ships. Why in hell do all the Klingon ships look like someone had a seizure in tiltbrush while smoking DMT? We see Klingon ships in ENT, we see Klingon ships in TOS, they look nothing, at all, like the Discovery Klingon ships. Whoever greenlit these ships, honestly fucked up, they are honestly some of the worst ship designs I've seen in my life.
Honestly it would make way more sense if Discovery was Kelvin. I have no idea why they are so instant on Prime Timeline.
The show imo is a soft reboot set in the Prime Timeline.
Money.
Does Prime and Kelvin really make that much difference in money?