I saw Landry in the teaser for the next episode.
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x12 - "Vaulting Ambition"
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Well, everyone seems to assume the actor is leaving at the end of the show, but they are ignoring that the earlier episode established that the prime version also survived.
But since Ned Stark has consistently polled as the most popular character, getting rid of him will not be good for ratings. You can't tick off a large section of the show's fanbase and keep your ratings good.
idk, worked then, will work now
I largely agree with you, but I think that Lorca would be popular regardless of whether Burnham had been well written and acted.
If every character was as superbly acted and well-written as Lorca was, then we would be in a state of sci-fi fan bliss, IMHO.
I think that is a case of comparing apples to oranges.
Thinking more this morning, I have some end-of-season predictions.
First, it's clear that this was the setup for the entire season from episode 3 onward. Maybe initially Bryan Fuller stayed on it wouldn't have been the case. But everything since was set in place by Mirror Lorca as a long con. He somehow came to the Prime Universe. He had knowledge of the mycelial network - probably from Mirror Stamets (the two had to be working together). He then managed to get Prime Stamets onto a ship with a working spore drive, and drafted Prime Burnham out of prison.
Due to this, it would be anticlimactic to get back to Prime next week. There's basically no story left in this season, save for stalling tactics. There's absolutely nothing left for them to do but return to the prime universe, give the Federation the cloaking technology, and work out some sort of armistice - all of which can be dealt with in a few scenes. Thus, I expect that they'll continue to flounder around in the Mirrorverse now until the last episode.
The one other possibility is if the two episodes added late in production were tacked onto the end of the season. If this is true, the season arc essentially ends next week, and we're in for some sort of more self-contained adventure for the last two weeks.
First, it's clear that this was the setup for the entire season from episode 3 onward. Maybe initially Bryan Fuller stayed on it wouldn't have been the case. But everything since was set in place by Mirror Lorca as a long con. He somehow came to the Prime Universe. He had knowledge of the mycelial network - probably from Mirror Stamets (the two had to be working together). He then managed to get Prime Stamets onto a ship with a working spore drive, and drafted Prime Burnham out of prison.
Due to this, it would be anticlimactic to get back to Prime next week. There's basically no story left in this season, save for stalling tactics. There's absolutely nothing left for them to do but return to the prime universe, give the Federation the cloaking technology, and work out some sort of armistice - all of which can be dealt with in a few scenes. Thus, I expect that they'll continue to flounder around in the Mirrorverse now until the last episode.
The one other possibility is if the two episodes added late in production were tacked onto the end of the season. If this is true, the season arc essentially ends next week, and we're in for some sort of more self-contained adventure for the last two weeks.
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Did it really establish that Prime Lorca survived?
The vibe I'm getting is MU Lorca is the one who escaped from and destroyed the Buran.
let's see, high caliber movie actor from a beloved fantasy franchise gets cast as one of the leads of an ensemble genre show only to kill him off at the end of the first season... they might be apples and oranges, but I tell you, both are round fruits
That was a little bit of a different case however, since they were working off of a series of books already established rather than making it up on the fly. Having Ned Stark survive the first season would basically mean the content from the later ASOIAF books couldn't be used at all.
Well, how realistic would it be for there to be two Lorca’s commanding one ship? Someone would have smelled a rat, no?
I am expecting the show will drag on the MU plot right up to the finale. And the finale will be about Discovery finally making it back to the Prime Universe just in time to give Starfleet the anti-cloaking tech, have a big final space battle that the Feds win, the war is over, and then a final cliffhanger that hints to next season.
But as I said, a big issue is where the two episodes added late in production were tacked on exactly. I know some people think they were added to the end of the season, in which case it's very unlikely they could just string out the climax of the season. But I suspect that one of them was Magic to Make the Sanest Man Go Mad, because aside from having the first inklings of the Burnham/Tyler romance the plot had little to do with the season-long arc.
Which is why the show needed to be led by a Patrick Stewart/ Bill Shatner level actor rather than one who isn’t much better than Trek’s B cast.
To be honest, if they wanted a black female lead I have to say I would have preferred a strong captain played by someone like Viola Davis than what we got. Much like West Wing couldn’t escape Barlet being a key focus, I don’t think Trek can run away from the power the character of the Captain has.
My theory is Mirror Lorca is the one who either destroyed the Buran blaiming the Klingons, or led the Klingons to destroy it. Or hell Mirror Lorca heard of the destruction of the Buran while hiding out somewhere and saw it as an opportunity to do something.
Either way, Prime Lorca is dead.
Admiral Cornwell said Lorca has been different ever since the destruction of the Buran. I think Prime Lorca died with the Buran and Mirror Lorca took his place, saying he survived.
Supposedly SMG was their second choice. They wanted Rosario Dawson (who is also a huge Trekkie) but she had scheduling conflicts.
A better actress for sure. Shame.
Just watched it. My first ten, this Terran empire is as evil as the devil.The mirror universe is more interesting than the Prime one lol
Should add I am disappointed Lorca is not from the Prime universe.
Should add I am disappointed Lorca is not from the Prime universe.
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I also wonder if Bryan Fuller had stayed on if this would have been the direction. As I posted a few pages ago, as of episode 10 there is quite a bit of difference in writers and producers credited. I wonder if episodes 3 - 7 were already written before Fuller left and were re-written (sometimes uncredited) after Fuller departed and Berg/Harberts took over as showrunners (and Akiva Goldsman came in as an Executive Producer). That would explain the changeover in staff as I'm sure Berg/Harberts wanted to hire some writers of their own. It's also possible that Akiva Goldsman came in and changed the focus of the season to the mirror universe. He's also directing the season finale. This is all pure speculation of course.
