Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x12 - "Vaulting Ambition"

[Lord Garth]

Why? Perhaps that is not the norm in the MU.

In the MU, I actually think they'd be more likely to let people fend for themselves before they turn 18. So if it were different from our society, I think the difference (though I know we don't know this) would be that they consider or at least treat people like adults earlier.

By which point (whenever that would be) Georgiou would tell Burnham, "There are some things I regret, Michael, things I could've done better, but I did the best I could and now you're on your own."

Or perhaps Georgiou didn't feel that Michael needed a father figure and even if she did think that, she might have thought that she was strong enough/good enough to be both.

At first, probably. But like she said, she eventually realized Burnham was missing a father figure in her life.

 

[ralph]

One more secret has been revealed. I think MU Lorca will die. He does not want to return to Prime Universe.

 

[bookworm8571]

They didn't switch bodies, they just both woke up.

I thought it was pretty clear that they did switch bodies and Mirror Stamets planned it.

 

[bookworm8571]

Re: Mirror Lorca and Mirror Burnham: It doesn’t bother me if Mirror Lorca slept with young and impressionable officer Mirror Burnham, who was presumably around the same age as Prime Burnham was when she became a crew member on the Shenzhou — say 17 to 20. He wasn’t her father; Georgiou wasn’t her mother. It fits Lorca as a character.

 

[Timo]

It really seems as if Emperor Pippa first tried to raise Burnham without a surrogate father, and only later on assigned Lorca to her. And "later" might well be defined by the Emperor first doing her utmost, including giving Burnham the command of the Shenzhou.

What remains to be seen is whether Lorca is rotten to the core or merely driven. His final scene, gloating over a fallen villain, is ambiguous: doing bad things to MU characters and their relatives is not a bad thing in itself, all things considered.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[rhllot]

One more secret has been revealed. I think MU Lorca will die. He does not want to return to Prime Universe.

I think Lorca will become the Emperor

 

[Tuskin38]

...I'm getting fond flashbacks of John M. Ford's Final Reflection where the Klingons muse that they might need to remove the Whitefang from the diplomatic menu since the UFP considers them a sentient species.

Their name for Kelpiens?



There's no reason why PU Stamets' body couldn't travel to MU or vice versa. A Stamets (or a tardigrade) has the power to make stuff go places. That includes any Stametses and their clothing, too; being surrounded by a starship is not a requirement, but more of a hindrance.

Whether "our" Stamets ended up aboard ISS Charon in the right uniform, or aboard USS Discovery in the wrong one, is currently utterly unknown. Doesn't seem there would be much surprise involved in the man in PU uniform finding himself in an eeeeeevil room, though. But Stamets isn't the sort of guy to worry about such things, regardless of which Stamets we're talking about.

Timo Saloniemi

I thought it was pretty clear that they did switch bodies and Mirror Stamets planned it.

They didn't switch bodies as they both didn't seem confused as to where they were and knew exactly where they were going.

The Stamets on the Discovery knew where the mushroom farm was. And the Stamets on the Charon did not look disoriented at all when he woke up in a strange room.

 

[Allyn Gibson]

Can this quantom signature stuff be used to detect people from mirror universe, or does it only apply to metallic objects?

If Lorca has been in the Prime universe for a decade or so, then he's going to be a mixture of Prime and Mirror atoms and, by this point, mostly, even overwhelmingly, Prime matter. A quantum signature probably wouldn't pick him out as odd in the Prime universe, but it would pick him out in odd in the Mirror universe because he's now mostly made of Prime matter.

 

[Captain Killy]

If they remove him from the show, do they think that people will pay to watch SMG's wooden Burnham?

I and many many many fans would absolutely pay to watch Sonequa Martin-Green as Michael Burnham. First Black Female lead on Star Trek and a character unlike any other we have ever seen on Trek. She’s compelling, sympathetic, conflicted, struggling, flawed and yet still aims towards the highest ideals the Federation represents.

It’s her story and I’m there for it to the end.

 

[Captain Killy]

Oh, I completely understand why Burnham would do that when she is seconds away from being killed.

What I don't understand at all is why a few posters here would think that Lorca being deceptive is morally worse than the mass-murdering Emperor who tortures and kills multitudes and eats Kelpians.

It has nothing to do with MU Lorca being “deceptive” and everything to do with him being a sexual predator. And that’s been made very clear, so you insisting otherwise is just incorrect.

 

[Mudd]

Yeah, but Isaac's Lorca was without question the most compelling character in the show so far.

In polls here he was overwhelmingly voted as the best actor / character.

If they remove him from the show, do they think that people will pay to watch SMG's wooden Burnham?

Lorca was the only character who kept me watching the show for as long as I did. The actors are all good, but the characters are...well, Star Trek.

 

[eschaton]

If Lorca has been in the Prime universe for a decade or so, then he's going to be a mixture of Prime and Mirror atoms and, by this point, mostly, even overwhelmingly, Prime matter. A quantum signature probably wouldn't pick him out as odd in the Prime universe, but it would pick him out in odd in the Mirror universe because he's now mostly made of Prime matter.

Huh?

In one of the earlier episodes this season it's pretty explicit Prime Lorca's ship was only destroyed when the Klingon war started - some time between episodes 2 and 3. Thus he's only been in the prime universe for a matter of months.

 

[johnjm22]

Michelle Yeoh is awful and her scenes are painfully corny. In fact, much of this episode was once again unintentionally cornball. We've got the cast wearing ridiculous costumes, Georgiou is walking around with a sword and a magic boomerang that can slice through people's heads, and the show is taking itself completely seriously.

Too much magic in this episode also. (The same can be said for this show as a whole)

 

[Tuskin38]

It has nothing to do with MU Lorca being “deceptive” and everything to do with him being a sexual predator. And that’s been made very clear, so you insisting otherwise is just incorrect.

Nothing has implied that he’s a sexual predator

 

[eschaton]

It has nothing to do with MU Lorca being “deceptive” and everything to do with him being a sexual predator. And that’s been made very clear, so you insisting otherwise is just incorrect.

Sexual predator worse than Hitler. Got it.

 

[Captain Killy]

Sexual predator worse than Hitler. Got it.

Evil Wuxia Space Tyrant with the Fidget Spinner from Hell

Or

Predatory Woody Allen Rapist in Spaaaaaaace

I’ll take Wuxia Space Tyrants for 500 Alex...

 

[Captain Killy]

And to that, I do not believe the Emperor was lying. She had no reason to lie at that point. As far as she knew at that moment Lorca was PU Lorca. So she gains nothing by telling that story. Ironic that it’s telling that story that makes Burnham realize that Lorca is MU and he’s been playing her and creeping her the entire damn time.

 

[GeekUSACarl]

Last week's episode was over 50 minutes.

Yup, it was so great when it happened, that one time.

I don't need episodes to be super long but they do often feel too short and last week was the only one I didn't think to myself "man that felt kinda short"

 

[Tuskin38]

while we haven’t been told when the mirror Buran was destroyed, the Prime Buran was destroyed sometime between episode 2 and 3.

Based on Admiral Cornwall’s dialogue saying Lorca had been different since that incident, mirror Lorca probably showed up after it was destroyed. Hell I’d bet he’s the one who destroyed the Buran to get Prime Lorca out of the way

 

[Longinus]

(I have not read what others have said.)

I'm really tired of this stupid space nazi universe. Can we get back to the regular one? I know I had some issues with it, but you made your point, I miss it now.

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