how do you account for all of the numerous canon violations in this show?

[The Wormhole]

Its a d7, canon said they used d7. So it fits canon

No, for the past twenty-one years the D-7 has applied only to one certain design, and indeed the only way for the writers to even know there was a Klingon ship type known as the D-7 was to look it up. The fact they then applied the term D-7 to a completely new ship design is actively disregarding canon. Was it really too hard to call it a D-6, D-8, or some new Klingon word? Hell, I'm actually surprised they didn't go the Klingon word route, they sure love using Klingon words on this show.

Kor's ship, the Klothos looked exactly like a D7 but was called a D5 by himself in a DS9 episode.

Oh my cock. That was the episode where Kor was suffering Klingon Alzheimer's. It was a fucking plot point in the damn episode. Has Star Trek fandom really become so dedicated to The Words Spoken Onscreen that something spoken by an elderly person afflicted with Alzheimer's is treated as Sacrosanct Fact just because it was Spoken Onscreen. Fuck me up the Goat Ass with a silver spoon which sparkles in the pale moonlight if that's really what we've come to.

 

[Tuskin38]

Oh my cock. That was the episode where Kor was suffering Klingon Alzheimer's. It was a fucking plot point in the damn episode. Has Star Trek fandom really become so dedicated to The Words Spoken Onscreen that something spoken by an elderly person afflicted with Alzheimer's is treated as Sacrosanct Fact just because it was Spoken Onscreen. Fuck me up the Goat Ass with a silver spoon which sparkles in the pale moonlight if that's really what we've come to.

Calm down.

 

[fireproof78]

Oh my cock. That was the episode where Kor was suffering Klingon Alzheimer's. It was a fucking plot point in the damn episode. Has Star Trek fandom really become so dedicated to The Words Spoken Onscreen that something spoken by an elderly person afflicted with Alzheimer's is treated as Sacrosanct Fact just because it was Spoken Onscreen. Fuck me up the Goat Ass with a silver spoon which sparkles in the pale moonlight if that's really what we've come to.

No, I've come to the conclusion that Starfleet D7 designation may not always refer to just the cruiser we associate with it.

And, yes, I will accept the Words Spoken Onscreen a little bit quicker than the words on the Internet.

 

[The Wormhole]

And, yes, I will accept the Words Spoken Onscreen a little bit quicker than the words on the Internet.

Even when those Words Onscreen are spoken by someone with an affliction known to make what they say unreliable?

 

[Crazy Eddie]

Oh my cock. That was the episode where Kor was suffering Klingon Alzheimer's. It was a fucking plot point in the damn episode. Has Star Trek fandom really become so dedicated to The Words Spoken Onscreen that something spoken by an elderly person afflicted with Alzheimer's is treated as Sacrosanct Fact just because it was Spoken Onscreen. Fuck me up the Goat Ass with a silver spoon which sparkles in the pale moonlight if that's really what we've come to.

I am overwhelmed by the irony that it was the lampooning of exactly this sort of hilariously self-defeating overreaction that created the term "D7" in the first place.

 

[Tuskin38]

Even Memory-Alpha calls the Klothos a D7 because of Kor's condition and the way it appeared in TAS.

Star Trek Online got around this by making a TOS Refit of the ENT-Era D5 that made it look a bit closer to a D7.

 

[Hythlodeus]

Oh my cock. That was the episode where Kor was suffering Klingon Alzheimer's. It was a fucking plot point in the damn episode. Has Star Trek fandom really become so dedicated to The Words Spoken Onscreen that something spoken by an elderly person afflicted with Alzheimer's is treated as Sacrosanct Fact just because it was Spoken Onscreen. Fuck me up the Goat Ass with a silver spoon which sparkles in the pale moonlight if that's really what we've come to.

such colourful expressions! is the R rating really necessary?

 

[Crazy Eddie]

Even when those Words Onscreen are spoken by someone with an affliction known to make what they say unreliable?

A navy veteran with alzheimers is more likely to properly remember the name and type of the ship he served on than some random person whose only experience with naval vessels comes from Tom Clancy novels. That's pretty much the position you're arguing from at this point.

 

[fireproof78]

Even when those Words Onscreen are spoken by someone with an affliction known to make what they say unreliable?

But, enough about the writers...*rimshot*

As @Crazy Eddie pointed out, Starfleet's designations and Klingon designations differ so there is no reason not to think that the ships may vary, rather than assume that it must always mean one thing.

 

[The Wormhole]

So wait a minute, Kor forgot which enemy he was fighting and even tried to open communications with someone who is dead, but the fact that he said "D-5" makes it indisputable fact that his ship was a D-5, even though we saw said ship and it was not?

Or, hell, if this is too much like beating a dead horse at this point, maybe whoever wrote Once More Unto the Breech just made a mistake? After all, if "it was a mistake" is an acceptable argument against Stamets being Discovery's chief engineer despite on screen evidence saying it is, then surely it should work here?

 

[Tuskin38]

So wait a minute, Kor forgot which enemy he was fighting and even tried to open communications with someone who is dead, but the fact that he said "D-5" makes it indisputable fact that his ship was a D-5, even though we saw said ship and it was not?

He wasn't in one of his fits when he called the ship a D-5. He was retelling the story.

 

[Hythlodeus]

but the fact that he said "D-5" makes it indisputable fact that his ship was a D-5, even though we saw said ship and it was not?

how do we know it was not? we saw a ship that looked a lot like ships that were called D7. that it actually WAS a D7 is an assumption based on insufficient data. For all we know it might have been a D5. we don't know. we don't know how Klingon ship determinations work. simple as that

 

[Crazy Eddie]

So wait a minute, Kor forgot which enemy he was fighting and even tried to open communications with someone who is dead, but the fact that he said "D-5" makes it indisputable fact that his ship was a D-5, even though we saw said ship and it was not?

The ship we saw was never actually called a D7 on screen, and thus we don't actually know that he was wrong about this. More importantly, we don't even know what the term "Klingon D7" actually means, so we have no idea whether or not it should be called that or not.

Or, hell, if this is too much like beating a dead horse at this point, maybe whoever wrote Once More Unto the Breech just made a mistake?

There are MANY possibilities. The most rational solution at this point is to accept the fact that there are many possibilities and we don't know enough for sure to say with any authority what is actually going on.

The most irrational solution is to claim authority to push a "correct" interpretation and then angrily denounce the people who don't agree with you. If you continue with this sort of behavior, I will be forced to start calling Klingon ships "warbirds" from now on.

 

[The Wormhole]

how do we know it was not? we saw a ship that looked a lot like ships that were called D7. that it actually WAS a D7 is an assumption based on insufficient data. For all we know it might have been a D5. we don't know. we don't know how Klingon ship determinations work. simple as that

I would point out that we know what a D-5 looks like, but in this thread, that likely amounts to squat.

 

[Mirror Mirror]

No, for the past twenty-one years the D-7 has applied only to one certain design, and indeed the only way for the writers to even know there was a Klingon ship type known as the D-7 was to look it up. The fact they then applied the term D-7 to a completely new ship design is actively disregarding canon. Was it really too hard to call it a D-6, D-8, or some new Klingon word? Hell, I'm actually surprised they didn't go the Klingon word route, they sure love using Klingon words on this show.

Canon is not a look, it is events. Canon says Klingons used a ship called a D7, we have seen ships used by the Klingons being called D7's. So canon is fine.

 

[Hythlodeus]

I would point out that we know what a D-5 looks like, but in this thread, that likely amounts to squat.

we know how SOME D5s look. Hard to tell if ALL D5 ships look that way. not enough data, since we don't even know what D5 means

 

[Tuskin38]

The ship we saw was never actually called a D7 on screen, and thus we don't actually know that he was wrong about this. More importantly, we don't even know what the term "Klingon D7" actually means, so we have no idea whether or not it should be called that or not.

We've seen D-5s in Enterprise.

 

[The Wormhole]

I will be forced to start calling Klingon ships "warbirds" from now on.

Meh, as long as you weren't among those declaring Berman and Braga unfit to run a show for using that term and docking points off Broken Bow because of it, you're free to use it.

 

[fireproof78]

Meh, as long as you weren't among those declaring Berman and Braga unfit to run a show for using that term and docking points off Broken Bow because of it, you're free to use it.

No, they are unfit for other reasons..."These are the voyages" springs to mind.

On topic, I think GR could explain how important the designation is:

I went to the stage one day, and they were all ready and waiting for me, because they knew I was really exhausted from some long rewrite sessions. As soon as I walked up to the set, Bill and Leonard blew a scene, but they blew it on purpose and began arguing very violently. Bill was shouting at the top of his voice, "Leonard! What do you mean saying this is a D-7 Klingon ship! It's a D-6!" Leonard shouted back, "No, you idiot, the D-6 has four doors over here and the D-7 only has two!" Bill immediately shouted back, "No, no, no – it's the other way around. You've got it all wrong."While all of this is going on, I'm standing there, beginning to get frustrated, watching the minutes tick by and mentally counting the money we're losing in expensive crew time, because the cameras aren't rolling. And as the argument continued, I'm thinking to myself, "What are they talking about? They've gone too far!" Then I remembered thinking that I should remember which is the D-6 or the D-7. Finally I couldn't stand it any more, and so I walked in between them and said, "Come on, fellows, it really doesn't matter. Let's get on with the scene." Then the whole crew broke up laughing. This was their way of saying to me, "Hey, time is not that serious. Relax a little."

 

[Ralphis]

I blame all the canon violations on Doctor Manhattan.