Spoilers THE ORVILLE S1, E12: "MAD IDOLATRY" - SEASON FINALE

[Ovation]

You're just playing with semantics because you really want atheism to be the equivalent of religion.

Hit the nail on the head.

 

[Forbin]

Yes: You believe god exists. You're a theist.
No: You believe that god does not exist. You're an atheist.
I don't know: You're agnostic.

What if the No answer is worded: "You do not believe a god exists"?
"Not believe" does not equal "a belief", it equals "Not a belief."

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Some atheists actually believe that God doesn't exist, but not all do, and that belief is not a requirement to be an atheist.

 

[Captain of the USS Averof]

Atheism is not a religion. But atheism is a belief.

Replace God with extraterrestrial life. Whether you believe in its existence or not, without proof, it’s your belief.

That’s what I believe anyway.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Atheism is not a religion. But atheism is a belief.

Replace God with extraterrestrial life. Whether you believe in its existence or not, without proof, it’s your belief.

Wrong.

When there is no basis for deciding between a proposition or its negation, you can literally say: "I don't know whether it is true or not." If you want, you can even formulate an estimate for how likely you think it is.

 

[Mudd]

Wrong.

When there is no basis for deciding between a proposition or its negation, you can literally say: "I don't know whether it is true or not." If you want, you can even formulate an estimate for how likely you think it is.

Exactly so.

 

[Forbin]

I think someone who is religious simply can't understand atheism without considering it a belief system. It apparently blows their minds that someone simply doesn't hold a belief in something. It's difficult for some people to put themselves into someone else's head and understand how they feel or think.

 

[DonIago]

I wonder if a useful analogy would be someone growing up in an isolated bit of the Amazon or such where religion was just never raised as a topic? So they don't have belief in a higher power because it simply never came up?

 

[Mudd]

I think someone who is religious simply can't understand atheism without considering it a belief system. It apparently blows their minds that someone simply doesn't hold a belief in something. It's difficult for some people to put themselves into someone else's head and understand how they feel or think.

You may be right.

 

[137th Gebirg]

I think someone who is religious simply can't understand atheism without considering it a belief system. It apparently blows their minds that someone simply doesn't hold a belief in something. It's difficult for some people to put themselves into someone else's head and understand how they feel or think.

Good analogy. The same could be true in the inverse as well.

 

[Cyrus]

After reading this thread I have come to the realization that I am an atheist. I am still agnostic about the Bleem though.

 

[T'Bonz]

I think someone who is religious simply can't understand atheism without considering it a belief system. It apparently blows their minds that someone simply doesn't hold a belief in something. It's difficult for some people to put themselves into someone else's head and understand how they feel or think.

It's not hard to accept.

However, there are atheists and there are those who claim to be atheist but are more anti-religion than a true atheist.

 

[RJDiogenes]

I think someone who is religious simply can't understand atheism without considering it a belief system. It apparently blows their minds that someone simply doesn't hold a belief in something. It's difficult for some people to put themselves into someone else's head and understand how they feel or think.

My Mother has always referred to Atheists as people who hate god or are mad at god, not people who don't believe in it. The idea of not believing in the supernatural practically induces a panic attack.

 

[Forbin]

It's not hard to accept.

However, there are atheists and there are those who claim to be atheist but are more anti-religion than a true atheist.

No doubt true, but those folks are different than just plain ol' atheists without beliefs in the first place.

 

[Mudd]

No doubt true, but those folks are different than just plain ol' atheists without beliefs in the first place.

Folks who want to fight want to fight.

Still a lot easier to be a Christian than anything else in the U.S. though they don't want to hear that...

 

[Forbin]

I dunno, I'm having no difficulty just not caring about being religious.
Merry Christmas all.

 

[T'Bonz]

No doubt true, but those folks are different than just plain ol' atheists without beliefs in the first place.

Yep. The atheists that I've known personally have all been regular atheists, not the other kind.

My friends and family include Christians, atheists, Buddhists, Jews, and various other religions. They're all real good about being respectful about each others' beliefs/lack of any beliefs. Many of them are more than willing to join in each others' celebrations, especially when food, drink and presents are involved.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

Yep. The atheists that I've known personally have all been regular atheists, not the other kind.

Y'mean like, irregular atheists? That could be me.

 

[Forbin]

Y'mean like, irregular atheists? That could be me.

Try a little fiber in your diet.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

Try a little fiber in your diet.

I'm actually trying mira-lax. It doesn't seem to be helping. What do you suggest, more roughage?