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Quentin Tarantino has an idea for a ST film (kind of)

Suggesting that something being "too old and laden with backstory to attract new viewers" for something that will only be 11 years old with three entries under its belt in 2020 is a very interesting statement. Particularly when discussing a franchise that will be 54 years old and well over 700 entries in its belt. If that were the case, we wouldn't be discussing Trek in any form at the moment.
 
THIS IS SPECTACULAR NEWS!!!!!

Beyond thrilled that a film maker of the caliber of Quentin Tarantino may be making a Star Trek film...This will make the next Star Trek film into a major event. Well done J.J.
Guest stars
Samuel Jackson as Admiral Cartwright, running around screaming orders and quoting scripture
John Travolta as Captain Chang of the Klingon Empire
Pam Grier as Captain Chang's wife pulling the Empire's strings
 
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There are some franchises that I am surprised are still running, namely for example Transformers. So if they can survive surely Kelvin Trek can? If not I wonder what the future of Movie Trek holds, Pine and Quinto won’t be there forever

Unfortunately, Transformers is still bringing in the big bucks, despite the latest instalment being the lowest grossing in the franchise, it's still pulled in over 600 million dollars worldwide, numbers that Trek can only dream of at the moment.
 
I just saw a headline on imdb about Abrams having a "writer's room" put together at Paramount to flesh out Tarantino's Trek idea. I didn't get a chance to actually read the article and get more details, though.

Edit: We have two threads about the same subject. Maybe they should be merged.

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I think what you'd get here is sort of a one-off what-if mashup. Sort of the antithesis of continuity.

I think the upside of doing that would be that people could just get into it on its own terms without looking at it as either a direct continuation or a reboot.
 
anyway, I guess this explains why, before these news, some sites had suddenly noticed an interview by QT that he did back in 2015. It seems like they were setting it up because they already knew about the rumor to release later. Deliberate or coincidence?

edit: reminds me when the rumors about Shatner in Orci's script came out some time before he lost the job because of 'creative differences' with Paramount over the script (and we now know the rumors were right in that he indeed had wanted to bring Shatner back, and his story did have time travel)
at the time, some speculated that someone had deliberately released the rumor about Shatner, while Orci was already in trouble, to make paramount see the fandom's response to the idea.
 
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Three films is hardly laden with backstory. If anything it would be a lot easier to go in with established, relatively iconic characters than to have to spend a fair chunk of the film setting up a whole new batch.

This is an interesting statement that could possibly warrant it's own topic. Beyond didn't do too well at the box office but it was a darn good movie. I get Joe Public doesn't seem to be as interested in Star Trek compared to say DC/Marvel, Harry Potter/Fantastic Beasts or Star Wars (we all know JJ's preference with the latter!)


Since CBS took over TOS has been the flagship brand for Trek. Yes TNG merchandise sells but it always comes back to Kirk and Spock - specifically 5YM era. Discovery is set 10 years prior so they can play in that timestream. I grew up with TNG/DS9 and VOY, fell out with ENT, but got into TOS a few years later with the New Voyages fan series. This got me pumped for the 2009 movie, which I have a nostalgia for when I see it now, weirdly. That did very well as did Into Darkness.


Would the public but another Kelvin Universe film? If not then what would they take? A TNG reboot – the show was very popular and still sells merchandise, it was only DS9, VOY and ENT that they didn’t really try with after they finished, the former two shows haven’t got blu ray releases. Or another TOS reboot tailored to Tarantino’s vision (Within 10 years Spider-Man had Maguire and Holland with Garfield in-between, likewise Affleck debuted 4 years after Bale as Batman so turnaround can be quick with reboots)? Or a new crew/post-TNG movie?


There are some franchises that I am surprised are still running, namely for example Transformers. So if they can survive surely Kelvin Trek can? If not I wonder what the future of Movie Trek holds, Pine and Quinto won’t be there forever

Suggesting that something being "too old and laden with backstory to attract new viewers" for something that will only be 11 years old with three entries under its belt in 2020 is a very interesting statement. Particularly when discussing a franchise that will be 54 years old and well over 700 entries in its belt. If that were the case, we wouldn't be discussing Trek in any form at the moment.

Reading your responses, I feel I need to clarify:
The Kelvin-Trek universe, at this point, IS as I said "only a faded memory in mainstream audiences' mind" and "simply too old and too laden with backstory" for a new movie in 2020. It's not the three movies. It's the time since we saw them the last time.

What do I mean by that?

The backstory/internal continuity of the Kelvin movies is no more an issue than the one of the TNG movies was after "Nemesis", or of the TOS crew after "The Undiscovered Country". The simple fact is: We already have three movies of plot points and character development. If those movies were still on fire, growing audiences and each earning more than it's predecessor, adding a fourth one would be a no-brainer.

But the Kelvin movies have run their course. At least in the minds of the general public. There simply isn't enugh buzz to attract new viewers for a dwindling franchise. At the time of Beyond, mainstream reaction generally was "just another Star Trek movie", and people didn't go into it because it didn't feel special, or they were afraid of the Trek tropes and clichés - already forgetting that this series specifically started out to avoid the nerdy-label with ST09.

If they want to make a new Trek movie, it needs to be another huge "splash" - and a clean cut - to attract new audiences. Just switching the director but keeping everything else the same won't do it - they already tried that with "Beyond". This potential new Trek movie needs a bigger change than, say, "Ragnarok" did to the Thor franchise (Those already were "too laden with backstory" after only two movies to get a "normal" sequel - as was IMO Trek after Into Darkness). A much bigger change. A fresh, new start. Theoretically, Tarantino could do a "quasi" reboot, keeping the same cast and changing everything else. But the chances are slim.

The chances for a new Kelvin movie are IMO equally high as for a new TNG movie, or a continuation of ENT. It's just not going to happen. Not because three previous movies are "too much backstory", but simply because it's really friggin' hard to continue a story once everyone thinks it has ended.

IF we are going to see the Kelvin-cast again, it's probably in some kind of "event"-movie, a big crossover, and not a clean continuation. Say, the Kelvin cast meets the prime cast, or a time travel story involving the TNG cast. Or hell, maybe even a TNG/DS9/VOY crossover-movie.

But I think it's more likely Tarantino will be doing is his own thing. Heaviliy inspired by what came previously, but with a clear start and a clean backstory. Think of "Django: Unchained"'s relationship to the original Italian Django movies.
 
It's probably unnecessary for it to be an R rated feature but I'll still be there on opening night. At least there's some rumblings of something happening now after the silence following Beyonds release, even if it's not what anyone was expecting or wanted even.
 
Star Trek television is dropping F-bombs and showing us full-frontal Klingon ta-tas, so I'd say the R-rated ship has already happily gone to warp. As long as the script is good, I'll be happy.

That said, I'm not sure if Star Trek and Quentin Tarantino are a good fit. "Two great tastes that taste great together", or "crossing the streams"? Time will tell.
 
That said, I'm not sure if Star Trek and Quentin Tarantino are a good fit. "Two great tastes that taste great together", or "crossing the streams"? Time will tell.

I remember back when QT directed an episode of CSI, thinking how odd of a pairing that would be. However, upon seeing the final product, he very easily was able to fit his style into the show without totally calling attention to himself. I have no doubt he can do the same here, since he'll once again be directing a script by another writer.
 
Reading your responses, I feel I need to clarify:
The Kelvin-Trek universe, at this point, IS as I said "only a faded memory in mainstream audiences' mind" and "simply too old and too laden with backstory" for a new movie in 2020. It's not the three movies. It's the time since we saw them the last time.

What do I mean by that?

The backstory/internal continuity of the Kelvin movies is no more an issue than the one of the TNG movies was after "Nemesis", or of the TOS crew after "The Undiscovered Country". The simple fact is: We already have three movies of plot points and character development. If those movies were still on fire, growing audiences and each earning more than it's predecessor, adding a fourth one would be a no-brainer.

But the Kelvin movies have run their course. At least in the minds of the general public. There simply isn't enugh buzz to attract new viewers for a dwindling franchise. At the time of Beyond, mainstream reaction generally was "just another Star Trek movie", and people didn't go into it because it didn't feel special, or they were afraid of the Trek tropes and clichés - already forgetting that this series specifically started out to avoid the nerdy-label with ST09.

If they want to make a new Trek movie, it needs to be another huge "splash" - and a clean cut - to attract new audiences. Just switching the director but keeping everything else the same won't do it - they already tried that with "Beyond". This potential new Trek movie needs a bigger change than, say, "Ragnarok" did to the Thor franchise (Those already were "too laden with backstory" after only two movies to get a "normal" sequel - as was IMO Trek after Into Darkness). A much bigger change. A fresh, new start. Theoretically, Tarantino could do a "quasi" reboot, keeping the same cast and changing everything else. But the chances are slim.

The chances for a new Kelvin movie are IMO equally high as for a new TNG movie, or a continuation of ENT. It's just not going to happen. Not because three previous movies are "too much backstory", but simply because it's really friggin' hard to continue a story once everyone thinks it has ended.

IF we are going to see the Kelvin-cast again, it's probably in some kind of "event"-movie, a big crossover, and not a clean continuation. Say, the Kelvin cast meets the prime cast, or a time travel story involving the TNG cast. Or hell, maybe even a TNG/DS9/VOY crossover-movie.

But I think it's more likely Tarantino will be doing is his own thing. Heaviliy inspired by what came previously, but with a clear start and a clean backstory. Think of "Django: Unchained"'s relationship to the original Italian Django movies.

If we see tng on the silver screen again it will be a reboot. The tv cast could do a tv reunion?
 
If we see tng on the silver screen again it will be a reboot. The tv cast could do a tv reunion?

I don't see the TNG characters as being "rebootable", they are too weird (Deanna Troi? Srsly?). Picard and Data solely live through the cerebral writing and the iconic portrayals of Patrick Steward and Brent Spiner. Without them they are just "bald leader guy" and "android". They are more nuanced, but as a result far less archetypical than Kirk & Spock, and thus it's almost impossible to recast. Also they are clearly no action-guys like Shatner and Nimoy were, so any "action" would look really awkward in this action-blockbuster.

The only way we are ever going to see them on the silver screen again (even though still reeeeeally unlikely) would be some crossover-event (like "Days of future past" - where two generations of actors from the same franchise meet). Or in a really freak accident of a movie - like a Tarantino Star Trek movie.
 
Reading your responses, I feel I need to clarify:
The Kelvin-Trek universe, at this point, IS as I said "only a faded memory in mainstream audiences' mind" and "simply too old and too laden with backstory" for a new movie in 2020. It's not the three movies. It's the time since we saw them the last time.

What do I mean by that?

The backstory/internal continuity of the Kelvin movies is no more an issue than the one of the TNG movies was after "Nemesis", or of the TOS crew after "The Undiscovered Country". The simple fact is: We already have three movies of plot points and character development. If those movies were still on fire, growing audiences and each earning more than it's predecessor, adding a fourth one would be a no-brainer.

But the Kelvin movies have run their course. At least in the minds of the general public. There simply isn't enugh buzz to attract new viewers for a dwindling franchise. At the time of Beyond, mainstream reaction generally was "just another Star Trek movie", and people didn't go into it because it didn't feel special, or they were afraid of the Trek tropes and clichés - already forgetting that this series specifically started out to avoid the nerdy-label with ST09.

If they want to make a new Trek movie, it needs to be another huge "splash" - and a clean cut - to attract new audiences. Just switching the director but keeping everything else the same won't do it - they already tried that with "Beyond". This potential new Trek movie needs a bigger change than, say, "Ragnarok" did to the Thor franchise (Those already were "too laden with backstory" after only two movies to get a "normal" sequel - as was IMO Trek after Into Darkness). A much bigger change. A fresh, new start. Theoretically, Tarantino could do a "quasi" reboot, keeping the same cast and changing everything else. But the chances are slim.

The chances for a new Kelvin movie are IMO equally high as for a new TNG movie, or a continuation of ENT. It's just not going to happen. Not because three previous movies are "too much backstory", but simply because it's really friggin' hard to continue a story once everyone thinks it has ended.

IF we are going to see the Kelvin-cast again, it's probably in some kind of "event"-movie, a big crossover, and not a clean continuation. Say, the Kelvin cast meets the prime cast, or a time travel story involving the TNG cast. Or hell, maybe even a TNG/DS9/VOY crossover-movie.

But I think it's more likely Tarantino will be doing is his own thing. Heaviliy inspired by what came previously, but with a clear start and a clean backstory. Think of "Django: Unchained"'s relationship to the original Italian Django movies.

This post is silly. With that attitude, we would not have gotten the 'Trek movies, after TOS left the airwaves years before.
 
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