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Spoilers DC's Legends of Tomorrow - Season 3

Possibly a big spoiler there in the trailer.

It occurred to me a while ago that one way the producers might deal with Firestorm's future given Victor Garber's departure would be to replace Garber with Graeme McComb as Stein's younger self, either through time travel or some sort of de-aging. And now we apparently get McComb's young Martin back again right after losing Garber. So is this setting him up to be a new regular? As if the Legends weren't already playing fast and loose with causality by keeping Amaya aboard...

Having a younger Professor Stein could have a negative impact on his future or the present, especially if the Legends aren't careful. Then again, this is Arrowverse and so many dead characters have been brought back to life via time travel, some of whom were unnecessary. I'm looking at you, Damien Dahrk.
 
As I recall, Dr. Doom was lost in space after his first or second appearance in the original FANTASTIC FOUR comics, way back in early sixties.

.Guess that took care of him for good! :)
Yep, second appearance, issue #6:

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Having a younger Professor Stein could have a negative impact on his future or the present, especially if the Legends aren't careful. Then again, this is Arrowverse and so many dead characters have been brought back to life via time travel, some of whom were unnecessary. I'm looking at you, Damien Dahrk.

I realized that, even if they don't bring him onto the team to replace, err, himself, they're still going to be faced with the dilemma of meeting the younger version of a friend who just died. What do they tell him when he asks why his older self isn't with them anymore? How successful will they be at hiding the truth? And how tempted will they be to alter his future? Sara's already made that choice with regard to Laurel, but Jax might feel differently.
 
Yep, second appearance, issue #6:

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Not the original art work, but it looks keen.

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Pharoh Rama Tut fleeing the Fantastic Four, hurley-burley collides with young Doom adrift in the time stream rapids, welcomes Victor on board his time ship like a good Samaritan. These too supervillains get along so well, that after parting company, gushing Rama Tut redesigns his look and weapon systems to cosplay Doctor Doom, as Kang the Conqueror.

Although... How that reconciles with Kid Kang from the Young Avengers, is anyone's guess.
 
The Red Skull is another villain who dies in his first appearance only to come back again and again.
 
Hello everybody. I'm watching 3x7 now, while looking forward to the Crisis thing. Yeah ;)

I've got a question: In the beginning we see Stein in his lab with Galiei, Curie and Johann Sebastian Bach (well, probably not but he looked a bit like it). Maybe it was the apple guy.
G. says "I want to go home!"

So they are actually to be supposed the real ones? I know the show is to be taken lightly but really? There is really nothing left that makes sense here and I know that I should not question it.

Or did I miss some things from older episodes that explains this? How did S. get them witout anyone noticing? And wouldn't asking Newton and G. for help with a science problem of the 21. century like asking Hippokrates to help with laser-surgery?

Anyway, great episode! :D
 
I've got a question: In the beginning we see Stein in his lab with Galiei, Curie and Johann Sebastian Bach (well, probably not but he looked a bit like it). Maybe it was the apple guy.

Yes, it was Sir Isaac Newton.


So they are actually to be supposed the real ones? I know the show is to be taken lightly but really?

We did see Mick using the Time Bureau neuralizer thingy to wipe Newton's memory at the end. So, yeah, apparently the ability to wipe memories is making the Legends a bit more reckless about "borrowing" people from history. And, yeah, it was really silly.
 
Beebo was hilarious. And I love the musical in-joke of scoring Martin's bow-and-arrow gambit with the Arrow theme.

Nice to see a story based on The Vinland Sagas, which I read in college -- although I needed Wikipedia to refresh my memory. Freydis Eriksdottir was a real part of the Vinland colony, or at least a part of the Norse legends thereof, and she was a pretty aggressive figure in those sagas, and deceitful in one of them. So this episode played less fast and loose with history than they usually do.

Although it played merry hell with causality. If the time ripples propagated fast enough that Ava Sharpe was affected in 2017, then doesn't that mean Jax returned Martin to 1992 New Valhalla? Also, shouldn't the Time Bureau agents be protected from temporal shifts somehow? How can they correct an anachronism if it's already wiped them out of existence? I'm sure we've seen past episodes where they've been around to intervene even after the anachronism reportedly undid normal history.

I guess this scuttles my theory that young Martin would be joining the Legends as half of Firestorm. As we saw, nothing happened when he and Jax clasped hands, since this Martin isn't a metahuman yet.

It was a really nice surprise seeing Constantine in the tag scene. They're even still using Bear McCreary's leitmotif for him. It's unexpected in more ways than one -- I was thinking that Sara would seek him out for help in fighting magic and demons. So him seeking her out was a nice twist.
 
Now I know how non-Supergirl fans felt last year with the Invasion crossover, because watching this episode just because it set up an appearance by John Constantine was basically pointless.

Don't get me wrong; the episode was actually quite good, but when I've not been watching the season for reasons stretching back to last year, I'm not sure I would've bothered watching it if I'd known that Constantine was only showing up at the very end.
 
So Katia Winter was in this episode. I'm assuming the voice of Mallus was John Noble? Would've been nice to see Tom Mison too. ;)

Has the CW always had a long winter hiatus, or is this new? I remember when Once Upon A Time aired on Sundays, ABC would take an 8 - 12 week break after the winter finale. February seems like a long wait.
 
Legends has a longer break because Black Lightning is debuting in its time slot in January. Also Legends has shorter seasons than the other series. This way it will end in May when the other Arrowverse series do. It's not known yet how they are going to work all 5 DC superhero shows on the schedule. Or if Legends will return to being on after the Flash. If it does where will Black Lightning go or how many episodes it is getting.​
 
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Another fabulous episode. I literally had a milk spit take when Ollie's theme cued as young Stein had the toy bow.
 
It's not known yet how they are going to work all 5 DC superhero shows on the schedule. Or if Legends will return to being on after the Flash.
Based on the promo that aired after last night's episode, Legends is returning Monday, February 12, presumably following Supergirl. (Apparently Valor did not get a pickup beyond its initial 13-episode order.)
 
Only Legends could pull off, let alone even attempt, an episode about a tickle me Elmo becoming a Viking god.

It was sort of a hybrid of Tickle Me Elmo and Furby.

But yeah, this one went all-out on the comedy while not skimping on the emotion in the wake of Stein's death. It had a lot of fun bits, from the opening shopping-mall scene to the montage of the Legends working out the attack plan (nice fakeout there).

And they even managed to provide a plausible explanation for the ridiculous premise. Nate pointed out that trolls and gnomes and such were part of Viking lore to begin with -- and, more importantly, the episode showed that Freydis embraced Beebo as a god, not out of gullibility, but because it served her own political agenda to do so. I learned in my college history studies that that was often the way religious conversion actually worked -- it wasn't just ignorant, superstitious natives blindly embracing whatever evident miracle they were exposed to, it was smart, calculating indigenous operators exercising their own political/social agency and exploiting the foreign religion to advance their own agendas. This is one of the only episodes they've done that actually satisfied the history geek in me.

By the way, Beebo was voiced by Ben Diskin, whose filmography to date has had much more Marvel voice work than DC -- including two different Venom hosts in two different animated Spider-Man continuities, Eddie Brock in The Spectacular Spider-Man and Flash Thompson in the current Marvel's Spider-Man. Hard to look at Beebo the same way when you know he's speaking in Venom's voice, isn't it?
 
But yeah, this one went all-out on the comedy while not skimping on the emotion in the wake of Stein's death. It had a lot of fun bits, from the opening shopping-mall scene to the montage of the Legends working out the attack plan (nice fakeout there).

I really appreciated that this episode did not just move on from Stein's death but really followed up on the aftermath of it and brought some good closure for the characters.
 
First, the guy who played Young Stein is terrific. It's a shame they can't get him on the show.

The show posed very interesting questions? It's very clear that the envelope told Stein the day he was going to die. Stein is smart enough to know that. Imagine knowing the exact day you are going to die. How do you live with that knowledge. Did what Jefferson do to help actually end up as the ultimate act of cruelty?

But let's say you were handed that note by your personal Marty McFly. Would you do what Doc Brown did or what young Stein did?

Stein now knows he will die at age 67. That's not THAT old. He knows his future self was healthy and just by what Jefferson did, he knows his death can be prevented. And with someone like Jefferson in his life, he knows that he has something to live for.

I think Stein made a big mistake burning that letter. His grandchild now loses a grandfather. His daughter loses a father. His wife loses a husband. All for something clearly preventable.

He was retiring from the Legends anyway. Plus, having that knowledge 25 years in advance has to be something terrible to carry with you.
 
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