Spoilers Arrow - Season 6

[Christopher]

I think it would be really impressive if they kept Diggle as Green Arrow permanently, really committed to a lasting change. That's something that comics used to do back in the '70s-'80s or so, before the influx of a new generation of writers and editors who were driven by nostalgia for the comics they grew up with and started resetting everything over and over again.

I could see that happening if Stephen Amell's movie career took off and he wanted out of the show -- sort of like what happened with his cousin Robbie as Ronnie Raymond -- but my preference would be for Ollie to move permanently into a civilian supervisory role.

 

[Romulan_spy]

The show is called "Green Arrow" so it does need to be centered around the Green Arrow character but that does not mean that the same actor has to play said character. You can have a different character take on the mantle of the Green Arrow and the show would still be about the Green Arrow. So I don't have a problem with Diggle becoming the Green Arrow permanently.

 

[Christopher]

Well, it's called Arrow, so technically it could focus on Red Arrow too...

 

[Mage]

I think it would be really impressive if they kept Diggle as Green Arrow permanently, really committed to a lasting change. That's something that comics used to do back in the '70s-'80s or so, before the influx of a new generation of writers and editors who were driven by nostalgia for the comics they grew up with and started resetting everything over and over again.

I could see that happening if Stephen Amell's movie career took off and he wanted out of the show -- sort of like what happened with his cousin Robbie as Ronnie Raymond -- but my preference would be for Ollie to move permanently into a civilian supervisory role.

I personally don't like Diggle as the Green Arrow really. No issues with someone else taking over. Not sure who though. Thea could be interesting in a way I guess. I still wish Roy would come back.


*EDIT* Actually, no. I don't like anyone else as the Green Arrow. I liked the comics where Bruce Wayne wasn't the Batman for a while, but in the end, Bruce Wayne IS The Batman for me. Same goes for The Green Arrow. Diggle or anyone else filling in for a while is cool. I like to shake things up a bit. But for me, personally, in the end only Oliver Queen is The Green Arrow. Others are just the Green Arrow.

 

[CorporalClegg]

I think it's more likely Diggle gets perma-dead.

 

[Phoenix219]

I like legacy heroes. Alan Scott, Hal Jordan, Guy Gardner, John Stewart and Kyle Raynor have all been solo GL's at one point or another. Wally West was the Flash for years, and Bart Allen had a run as The Flash as well. Both Jean Paul Valley, Dick Grayson and the kid from Batman Beyond have all served as the Bat, and Connor Hawke replaced Oliver for quite awhile. A semi permanent change wouldn't be unheard of.

 

[YellowSubmarine]

Thea as Green Arrow was the first thing I wished for when the doctor called for Oliver for some reason.

 

[Christopher]

Thea as Green Arrow was the first thing I wished for when the doctor called for Oliver for some reason.

That would be cool too, but it seems unlikely given that Willa Holland doesn't seem able to commit to the series full-time.

 

[dahj]

If we're talking about the future of Arrow, I vote they slowly morph it into a Birds of Prey-ish spin-off with Black Canary, Speedy, Killer Frost and Vixen

 

[Christopher]

If we're talking about the future of Arrow, I vote they slowly morph it into a Birds of Prey-ish spin-off with Black Canary, Speedy, Killer Frost and Vixen

If Overwatch is in the Oracle role, I'm in. And I gather the producers have made some effort to bring back Jessica DeGouw's Huntress in some capacity.

 

[Christopher]

In rewatching this week's episode, I realized that the exterior of the new Star City Police HQ is the Canada Post Main Office, the same location whose rooftop was used for the climactic Dominator battle in "Invasion!" It's a pretty common location in the Arrowverse and other Vancouver-made shows: https://moviemaps.org/locations/1gc And it's right across the street from the famous Central Library, which can be seen in the background in the opening scene of this episode.

 

[Snaploud]

"The Flash is much more my type."--Felicity

Somebody has been reading the message boards.

 

[Snaploud]

What kind of an arraignment was that?! The prosecution just said they had Probable Cause, but actually stated they wouldn't produce any evidence before trial, with a snarky remark to boot as if the defense demanding the producing of evidence is a silly notion. And the judge actually goes for it, and smacks the defense with a 5 million dollar bail. This was obviously the producers not wanting to reveal the evidence yet to have a stronger impact later on, but seriously, that was fucked up.

The wording was awkward, but it's not unusual for most evidence (also called discovery) to be provided to the defendent gradually sometime after the arrainment and before the actual trial. The arrainment is primarily for establishing charges, recording the lawyers of record, and setting bail. Very few cases are dismissed at arrainment. The only discovery at this stage is likely the police's arrest report. They will then have a pre-preliminary hearing (between prosecution and defense) and then a preliminary hearing (with the judge) (also called a probable cause hearing) may occur (depending upon the jurisdiction and/or requests by the defendent) to determine whether or not probable cause exists tha a) there was a crime and b) that the defendent is guilty of that crime.

 

[Christopher]

"The Flash is much more my type."--Felicity

Somebody has been reading the message boards.

Well, that's a callback to the fact that Felicity and Barry were love interests back when Barry was first introduced, even before Olicity happened. Between Barry, Ray, and Ollie, I used to joke that Felicity's superpower was turning her boyfriends into superheroes. (Plus her love interest after her breakup with Ollie was a cop, Billy Malone. Although her college boyfriend ended up becoming an evil hacker working with H.I.V.E., so I guess her hero-creating mojo hadn't kicked in yet.)

 

[Morpheus 02]

They must have had the day off at Xfinity because it (still) is NOT on On-demand. Hope it will be soon...

 

[Tuskin38]

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[DarKush]

I caught up with Arrow. I'm glad that the "Thanksgiving" episode addressed some of the concerns I had regarding Diggle. He finally realized and said that he was putting Oliver and what Oliver wanted over his needs and those of his family. The show had to wuss out later on and have him recant it, but at least it was said. I also liked that Diggle told the team about his tremor/nerve damage and that Curtis was hurt that he hadn't come to him. Even though Curtis's solution made things worse going to Curtis was something Diggle should've done a few episodes ago. Also floating the idea of using ARGUS super science as well. This episode checked off a lot of those boxes for me. They are still making Diggle too weak as a fighter so hopefully future episodes will address that as well.

I was also glad that Curtis stood up to Felicity. Finally. This was my favorite Curtis moment ever. Of course, like Diggle, they had to have him recant it, but it was good that he voiced his concerns. And that Felicity apologized. Same with Oliver and Diggle.

I'm still trying to figure out where this season is going. It feels unfocused. It feels like Oliver, Felicity, and Diggle all have a main villain or antagonist. Oliver's is Agent Watson. Felicity has Cayden James. And Diggle has Richard Dragon. Even Lance has Black Siren. And Dinah has Vigilante. It's just too muddled right now. I don't think this season really has a direction. Last season it was about getting back to basics and making Oliver deal with the consequences, and ghosts, of his actions. I guess this season is about Oliver becoming a responsible father and now husband. I mean, if this was This Is Us, then that’s okay, but this is Arrow.

I did enjoy the Deathstroke episodes. I thought Kane was a villain with potential and I hope he shows back up this season. It was great getting the Deathstroke flashbacks and seeing Shado again. Though it was bittersweet because it reminded me of how the show wasted the character, and all of the other good villains, from the comics, the show gave short shrift in six seasons. And it’s likely that Richard Dragon will suffer the same fate.

I was disappointed with the Vigilante reveal. It felt too much like a neatly tied bow and too early to give Dinah this nemesis when she hasn’t been firmly established yet. I would like to learn more about her by seeing her interact with the team than to have her literally have to battle her past this way.

I am a fan of a Diggle-Dinah romantic pairing. It won’t happen because Diggle’s married, but I think Diggle-Dinah work better than Felicity and Oliver. I hate Olicity and for it to rear its head against during the big crossover and in such an obnoxious way, stepping on Barry and Iris’s moment, made me detest it even more.

I did enjoy the crossover. By no means was it perfect, but it was a much more cohesive effort than last year’s “Invasion”. This year’s crossover was more ambitious and they mostly carried it off. I enjoyed the designs for Dark Arrow, Overgirl, and the Nazi soldiers. The soldiers looked different without being overly futuristic like the HYDRA soldiers in Captain America: The First Avenger. Of the quibbles I had with “Earth-X”, I thought making Oliver-X the Fuhrer was going too far. I mean, yeah, he’s the Batman of the Arrowverse, but why waste an opportunity to mention Vandal Savage, Damien Darhk, Malcolm Merlyn, or Lex Luthor? To me all of them would’ve worked better in a leadership role than Oliver.

It was also a missed opportunity to use some of the Nazi villains in the DC comics lore, either as New Reichsmen or as the Fuhrer. Before someone mentions the budget and the already large cast, the New Reichsmen thing is just wishful thinking. As for the Fuhrer, that could've been a portrait of the leader. Or a mention of him without an actual appearance.

It was great seeing Tommy again. I wish he had been Prometheus last season. I did enjoy Adrian Chase quite a bit, but the story just would’ve gelled better with Tommy in that role, and from what I saw of “Earth-X” he could’ve pulled off playing the villain easily.

 

[Christopher]

Of the quibbles I had with “Earth-X”, I thought making Oliver-X the Fuhrer was going too far. I mean, yeah, he’s the Batman of the Arrowverse, but why waste an opportunity to mention Vandal Savage, Damien Darhk, Malcolm Merlyn, or Lex Luthor? To me all of them would’ve worked better in a leadership role than Oliver.

There was a passing mention of Malcolm, when Tommy Merlyn/Prometheus said the Reich would kill his mother and father if he defied them. When he said that, I wondered if we were going to see Earth-X's Malcolm Merlyn (Malcolm-X?) later on, but it was just a throwaway.

I think the shows have done a good job establishing Oliver as the natural leader of the superhero community. He's an incongruous choice in terms of his abilities and background, and considering that he's thought of as an outlaw vigilante in his own city, but the fact that the others naturally turn to him as a leader despite all that shows that he's a natural at it.

Still, I do think that making him the Fuhrer didn't really add anything to the story. The only time it came into play was when Oliver impersonated him, but that could've been achieved just as well by making him someone more along the lines of Goering, a senior military commander who was the Fuhrer's right hand and heir apparent.

 

[Marc]

It was great getting the Deathstroke flashbacks and seeing Shado again. Though it was bittersweet because it reminded me of how the show wasted the character

But her death was a big factor in Slade's descent into madness and desire to have his revenge on Oliver so maybe she was wasted a bit but she was also a key piece in the plot line.

Sure he went loopy with the Miraku but would it have driven him the way Shadow's death died?

 

[DarKush]

But her death was a big factor in Slade's descent into madness and desire to have his revenge on Oliver so maybe she was wasted a bit but she was also a key piece in the plot line.

Sure he went loopy with the Miraku but would it have driven him the way Shadow's death died?

Not disputing that. However, I've read some of Grell's run and Shado was a pretty good villain. She also returned during Lemire's run where he took the character in another direction, and by having her as the mother of Emiko, a cool Damian Wayne kind of character for the Green Arrow comics. Either as a semi-villain from Grell's run or an ally during Lemire's run, there as much to Shado beyond just being a damsel that both Oliver and Slade loved and who died and (strangely for this show) never came back. When her twin sister appeared I was hoping that she would be the comics' version of Shado, but so far, they haven't done that.

My complaint about Shado extends to a lot of the villains they've mishandled IMO: Constantine, Drakon, China White, Brick, Komodo, Ra's Al Ghul, Baron Reiter, Kovar, Bronze Tiger, Isabel Rochev, Milo Armitage, Brutale, Onyx Adams, Solomon Grundy, Deathbolt, Murmur, Artemis, Calculator. I'm ifffy on Cupid. I also felt The Mayor and Tobias Church (either of which could've been Brick) were not used to their full potential.

The ones I think the show either did a good job on or improved are: Merlyn, Deathstroke, Damien Darhk, Prometheus, Nyssa, Talia, KGBeast (I'm iffy here), Kane, Deadshot, Brother Blood, Dollmaker, Amanda Waller, Professor Ivo, Fyers, Clock King.