News Harberts: Reconciling Discovery With The Original Series
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Since we don't know how old Will Decker was in TMP, I suppose it could be him. He'd probably be no older than 18 or so, though.
This is what I wrote just over a week ago. Some people felt that this season was a self contained story. With today’s news I hope people begin to realise that many of the thing being setup now will have no resolution in this season. Perhaps not even in the next.
If it looks like Lost and it walks like Lost, maybe just like Lost a lot of these promises of things making sense and it being planned out aren’t going to hold water.
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With the possible exception of the spore drive, I don't think there is any need to explain the Klingons' look one way or the other, or why Spock never mentioned Burnham, or the "change of ships" (whatever this means).
If they choose to do away with the spore drive in a way that explains why it was never used after DSC, that is easily accomplished.
If you want to think of DSC as a reboot, that is your right, but there is also no need for the producers to do it.
If I end up loving DSC as much as I loved X-Files and nuBSG, I won't have a problem at all with a few dangling "continuity threads" if there are any.
Consider your words "marked", however, I think they will all end up being pretty much irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.
The only visual aspects that I'd like "corrected" are the uniforms. They are just so bland and the template for The Cage era uniforms are pretty great to work on an updated version of that if they dont get there I'll be disappointed.
The ships feel like the perfect blend of ENT and TOS to me. Not as garishly colorful but plenty of odd geometric shaping to bulkheads and corridors that look just like TOS era.
The spore drive, like genesis and transwarp drive, seems just another failed or misappropriated technology that starfleet and the UFP can ban. So not troubled there.
I do think that a mention of Burnahm's relationship with Spock or even a scene of them as kiddos together is necessary. I need to feel there is more significance to that choice. The episode with Sarek and his decision to choose SPocks future with VSA over Michaels was really lovely, but I want a little more development there. And honest, I would love to see Pike era Enterprise show up. I really would.
The ships feel like the perfect blend of ENT and TOS to me. Not as garishly colorful but plenty of odd geometric shaping to bulkheads and corridors that look just like TOS era.
The spore drive, like genesis and transwarp drive, seems just another failed or misappropriated technology that starfleet and the UFP can ban. So not troubled there.
I do think that a mention of Burnahm's relationship with Spock or even a scene of them as kiddos together is necessary. I need to feel there is more significance to that choice. The episode with Sarek and his decision to choose SPocks future with VSA over Michaels was really lovely, but I want a little more development there. And honest, I would love to see Pike era Enterprise show up. I really would.
Agreed with everything above... in terms of the Spock-Burnham bit, I would even like to perhaps see Spock have mixed feelings about what Sarek did to them both....
I think Kirk called Spock out about saying he didn't have a brother, to which say that was technically correct, he has a half-brother. No mention of having or not having a sister, adopted or otherwise. Or that Sarek had a ward other than perhaps Saavik..
The thing that bothers me the most currently is the Klingon ship designs, and to a slightly lesser extent the actor's Klingon makeup being too much.
The thing that bothers me the most currently is the Klingon ship designs, and to a slightly lesser extent the actor's Klingon makeup being too much.
This, and who says Spock never mentioned Michael to Kirk? Who says Michael never made a visit to the Enterprise or something? Just because it wasn't ever shown in those 79 eps and 6 films, doesn't mean they never talked about her. Kirk never talks about his favourite music either, doesn't mean he doesn't have one.
The "change of ships" refers to the totally different looking Klingon ships- apologies, I'd assumed that was clear. Clearly it wasn't
I really hope you're right, I love the show. I just dislike showrunners and staffers claiming there is a grand plan. The whole 'stay with us and you'll see how we don't break continuity' has been trotted out too many times by DSC staffers and it's unnecessary in my opinion.
Here is flavour of what Haberts has been saying before the premier:
"One of those areas of canon includes Spock and his parents. Michael Burnham will appear as a ward of Sarek’s and her presence and how it all works will be explained. “The audience just has to be patient, because typically, if it seems like we’re violating canon, we know,” said Harberts. “We know that people might have knee-jerk reactions to things. But we have a plan.”
I said, effectively - "mark my words, they will tell you that the apparent cannon issues will be resolved seasons 2 onwards"
Here is what Haberts has just said (taken from Screenrant)
I love the show, but he just pretty much stated that there was no planning for how to resolve things like the spore drive. The very definition of Lost style plotting. This is how you get numerous awful Enterprise episodes as well. No forward planning.
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The "change of ships" refers to the totally different looking Klingon ships- apologies, I'd assumed that was clear. Clearly it wasn't
I really hope you're right, I love the show. I just dislike showrunners and staffers claiming there is a grand plan. The whole 'stay with us and you'll see how we don't break continuity' has been trotted out too many times by DSC staffers and it's unnecessary in my opinion.
Here is flavour of what Haberts has been saying before the premier:
"One of those areas of canon includes Spock and his parents. Michael Burnham will appear as a ward of Sarek’s and her presence and how it all works will be explained. “The audience just has to be patient, because typically, if it seems like we’re violating canon, we know,” said Harberts. “We know that people might have knee-jerk reactions to things. But we have a plan.”
I said, effectively - "mark my words, they will tell you that the apparent cannon issues will be resolved seasons 2 onwards"
Here is what Haberts has just said (taken from Screenrant)
I love the show, but he just pretty much stated that there was no planning for how to resolve things like the spore drive. The very definition of Lost style plotting. This is how you get numerous awful Enterprise episodes as well. No forward planning.
In this case, I'm not so sure that what you are concerned about is due to "no forward planning." More likely you have some unavoidable chaos as a result of this originally being Fuller's story, but then him backing out.
My guess is that everything will be fine, and these are all just details that don't really matter.
This is where I'm assuming that he's obfuscating so as not to give away future plans. The alternative is that he's admitting that they've never really had any plan to reconcile this show with previous continuity...which is, I suppose, entirely plausible. Shades of the Cylons.
The only thing that needs "resolving" next year is Harbert's job. The guy is so obviously in over his head. That doesn't necessarily mean he needs to be fired, but at the very least, CBS should bring in someone more experienced to take on a leadership role and not say stupid shit to the media.
This season is and has always been a self contained story. "Today's news" isn't changing anything. This is what was said by the EP over a month before your earlier post:
[The first season] wraps up and it creates new situations. There is a certain point when you are working through the story arc of a season that you start to have ideas you fall in love with that you realize cannot go into that season. So, you start putting them on index cards and thumbtacking them to the board and then suddenly that becomes the next season.
We are about to start shooting the final episode, so late in the season a really strong emotional idea became clear to all of us and we decided that is what season two is going to be all about. If we get a season two, the seeds are going to be planted at the end of season one.
I think the audience has to have a satisfying experience of the season. They have to feel it has come full circle and they have had an arc. So, I think we can have an arc and we can also set up where we want to go next season. So, those things aren’t necessarily mutually exclusive.
The problem is you're conflating the statements that apparent canon violations are deliberate and will be resolved, and that season 1's arc will be resolved in season 1, with "we promise to address all complaints and finish every arc by the end of season 1", which was never remotely suggested. For one, things like the Klingon makeup (which you ramble about for a good half of your post), holograms, etc. are silly complaints that they have no obligation to pander to, and not what they were referring to.
The Klingon war is the story arc of season 1. It will be resolved by episode 15. Other major elements like Burnham, the spore drive and the cloaking device will very likely remain, and must eventually resolve; however no one has--or likely will--promise that it will happen in any particular season, nor should they until said season is actually in development.
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