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Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x08 - "Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum"

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Going by what's said in the actual episode, "Court Martial" (TOS), that is simply not true:

STONE: Let us begin with your relationship with Commander Finney. You knew him for a long time, didn't you?
KIRK: Yes, he was an instructor at the Academy when I was a midshipman, but that didn't stand in the way of our beginning a close friendship. His daughter Jamie, who was here last night, was named after me.
STONE: It's common knowledge that something happened to your friendship.
KIRK: It's no secret. We were assigned to the same ship some years later. I relieved him on watch once, and found a circuit open to the atomic matter piles that should've been closed. Another five minutes, it could have blown up the ship.
COMPUTER: Ship's nomenclature. Specify.
KIRK: United Star Ship Republic, number 1371.
STONE: Continue.
KIRK: I closed the switch, and logged the incident. He drew a reprimand, and was sent to the bottom of the promotion list.
STONE: And he blamed you for that?
KIRK: Yes. He had been at the Academy for an unusually long time as an instructor. As a result, he was late in being assigned to a starship. The delay, he felt, looked bad on his record. My action, he believed, made things worse.

[...]

SHAW: With reference to Records Officer Finney, was there in his service record a reported disciplinary action for failure to close a circuit?
ENSIGN: Yes, ma'am.
SHAW: Was the charge in that instance based upon a log entry by the officer who relieved him?
ENSIGN: Yes, ma'am.
SHAW: And who was that officer?
ENSIGN: Ensign James T. Kirk.

He wasn't a cadet, he was an ensign, and it was some years later. The Okudas made a mistake, there. Meant to get back to all that, hopefully will soon.


Only one problem: he was already a Cadet Lieutenant and a student instructor in 2250, not long after entering the Academy. Gary Mitchell first met him that year and Kirk was already teaching a class that Gary attended. As ridiculous as it may sound, Kirk may well have skyrocketed from Cadet Fourth Class to Ensign and then at least to Lt. Junior Grade during his first year at the Academy. He may have been that damn good. ;)

I wouldn't blame Mike Okuda. He was just extrapolating as best he could from the onscreen dialogue and established canon, and whether or not it makes much sense Kirk was already apparently holding a Lieutenant rank the year he started at the Academy. He appears to have spent most of his four years there as a Lieutenant and held the same rank after he graduated and was assigned to the Farragut.
 
I can see Jim jumping from Lieutenant JG to full commander after the Dikiromium Cloud Monster slaughtered 200 crewmen on the USS Farragut.

Surviving = Heroism.
 
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Only one problem: he was already a Cadet Lieutenant and a student instructor in 2250, not long after entering the Academy. Gary Mitchell first met him that year and Kirk was already teaching a class that Gary attended. As ridiculous as it may sound, Kirk may well have skyrocketed from Cadet Fourth Class to Ensign and then at least to Lt. Junior Grade during his first year at the Academy. He may have been that damn good. ;)

I wouldn't blame Mike Okuda. He was just extrapolating as best he could from the onscreen dialogue and established canon, and whether or not it makes much sense Kirk was already apparently holding a Lieutenant rank the year he started at the Academy. He appears to have spent most of his four years there as a Lieutenant and held the same rank after he graduated and was assigned to the Farragut.
There's no problem at all, except the one created by the Chronology in making exactly those very-ridiculous-indeed assumptions, instead of a much simpler and more sensible one, which in one fell swoop instantly allows for the reconciliation of all the other reference points in subsequent episodes. Namely, that 17-year-old Kirk, then newly enrolled at the Academy, or just about to be, originally met even-younger Gary Mitchell in some other context, several years before the latter joined SF, at which later time the now-Lieutenant Kirk was his instructor there, leading to the formation of a closer relationship between them from that point onward. Those references are given separately and from different points of view in the episode:

SPOCK: Our subject is not Gary Mitchell. Our concern is, rather, what he is mutating into.
DEHNER: I know those from your planet aren't supposed to have feelings like we do, Mister Spock, but to talk that way about a man you've worked next to for years is worse than even—
KIRK: That's enough, Doctor!
DEHNER: I don't think so. I understand you least of all. Gary told me that you've been friends since he joined the service, that you asked for him aboard your first command...
KIRK: It is my duty, whether pleasant or unpleasant, to listen to the reports, observations, even speculations, on any subject that might affect the safety of this vessel, and it's my science officer's duty to see that I'm provided with that. Go ahead, Mister Spock.

[...]

MITCHELL: Hello, Jim. Hey, you look worried.
KIRK: I've been worried about you ever since that night on Deneb IV.
MITCHELL: Yeah, she was nova, that one. Not nearly as many aftereffects this time, except for the eyes. They kind of stare back at me when I'm shaving.
KIRK: Do you feel any different?
MITCHELL: In a way, I feel better than I've ever felt before in my life. Actually seems to have done me some good.
KIRK: How?
MITCHELL: Well, I'm getting a chance to read some of that longhair stuff you like. Hey man, I remember you back at the Academy, a stack of books with legs. The first thing I ever heard from an upperclassman was: "Watch out for Lieutenant Kirk! In his class, you either think or sink!"
KIRK: I wasn't that bad, was I?
MITCHELL: If I hadn't aimed that little blonde lab technician at you...
KIRK: You what!? You planned that?
MITCHELL: Well, you wanted me to think, didn't you? I outlined her whole campaign for her.
KIRK: I almost married her!

[...]

KIRK: Stardate 1313.1...we're now approaching Delta Vega, course set for a standard orbit. This planet, completely uninhabited, is slightly smaller than Earth, desolate, but rich in crystal and minerals. Kelso's task: transport down with a repair party, try to regenerate the main engines, save the ship. Our task: transport down a man I've known for fifteen years, and if we're successful, maroon him there.

Mitchell was always supposed to be at least a couple of years younger than Kirk, not the same age. (Don't forget that he ages rapidly once he's been affected by the barrier, with progressively more fake gray being added to his hair as the episode goes along.) Note however that we needn't believe him quite so young as we might from the medical record giving his age as 23. (And in fact, we probably shouldn't, because it looks to be a scan of a printed document with hand-written annotations on it, dating back to when his ESP rating was last assessed following the incident on Deneb IV mentioned by Kirk, whenever that was.) The script described Mitchell as "about thirty" and Lockwood was 28 when he played the part, FWIW.

Kirk's backstory is described thusly in The Making Of Star Trek, published in 1968 and written from the perspective of the second season:

"He appears to be thirty-four years old and was born in a small town in the State of Iowa. He entered Space Academy as a midshipman at the age of seventeen, the minimum age allowed. He attended the Academy and finished in the top five percent. Kirk rose very rapidly through the ranks and received his first command (the equivalent of a destroyer-class spaceship) while still quite young. Kirk has been in command of the Enterprise for more than four years and was the youngest Academy graduate ever to have been assigned as a Starship Command Captain."

This clarifies a number of points for us in the larger picture. First and foremost, that he wasn't intended to have been in error when citing his age in "The Deadly Years" (TOS), which we readily could have reasoned, should need ever have arisen, since the whole point there was that he was going senile and making mistakes in his quoted figures. For another, that the "first command" mentioned by Dehner was not intended to be the Enterprise. (And of course that only makes sense, because such an elite ship would surely not be placed in the hands of so young a captain—the youngest ever, in fact, which is another point made clear here but never onscreen, though it matches up with the portrayal of every other captain we met on the show as significantly older—unless he had prior command experience. Still, if it were really required, we probably could retcon that and say it was in fact the Enterprise, though there is no pressing reason to do so.) For yet another, that Kirk took command of the Enterprise several years before the start of the five-year mission. This tallies both with Dehner's comment about Spock having worked with Mitchell "for years" in "Where No Man..." and with Kirk's mention of Spock never having asked for any kind of leave during "all the years" he's known him in "Amok Time" (TOS).

It also matches the references to Kirk's experiences as a freshman ("plebe" per real-life military academy slang) in "Shore Leave" (TOS):

MCCOY: Well, yeah, I'm beginning to feel a little bit picked on, if that's what you mean.
KIRK: I know the feeling very well. I had it at the Academy. An upperclassman there, one practical joke after another, and always on me. My own personal devil. A guy by the name of Finnegan.
MCCOY: And you being the very serious young cadet...
KIRK: Serious? I'll make a confession, Bones. I was absolutely grim, which delighted Finnegan no end. He was the kind of guy to put a bowl of cold soup in your bed, or a bucket of water propped on a half-open door. You never knew where he'd strike next.

[...]

KIRK: Ruth, how can it be you? How can you possibly be here? You haven't aged. It's been fifteen years.

[...]

FINNEGAN: Always fight fair, don't you? True officer and gentleman, you. You stupid underclassman. I've got the edge. I'm still twenty years old. Look at you! You're an old man!

[...]

FINNEGAN: I never answer questions from plebes, Jimmy boy.
KIRK: I'm not a plebe! This is today, fifteen years later. What are you doing here?
FINNEGAN: I'm being exactly what you expect me to be, Jimmy boy.

If Kirk entered at the youngest age possible, and Mitchell was even younger than Kirk, then Mitchell could not have been at the Academy during Kirk's first year. All the more reason we should infer their instructor-student friendship occurred later, even if Kirk had known him less intimately from around that time. As I said in a previous post upthread, this also gives the Kirk-Mitchell relationship a nice symmetry with the Kirk-Finney relationship in "Court Martial" (TOS):

STONE: Let us begin with your relationship with Commander Finney. You knew him for a long time, didn't you?
KIRK: Yes, he was an instructor at the Academy when I was a midshipman, but that didn't stand in the way of our beginning a close friendship. His daughter Jamie, who was here last night, was named after me.
STONE: It's common knowledge that something happened to your friendship.
KIRK: It's no secret. We were assigned to the same ship some years later. I relieved him on watch once, and found a circuit open to the atomic matter piles that should've been closed. Another five minutes, it could have blown up the ship.
COMPUTER: Ship's nomenclature. Specify.
KIRK: United Star Ship Republic, number 1371.
STONE: Continue.
KIRK: I closed the switch, and logged the incident. He drew a reprimand, and was sent to the bottom of the promotion list.
STONE: And he blamed you for that?
KIRK: Yes. He had been at the Academy for an unusually long time as an instructor. As a result, he was late in being assigned to a starship. The delay, he felt, looked bad on his record. My action, he believed, made things worse.

[...]

SHAW: With reference to Records Officer Finney, was there in his service record a reported disciplinary action for failure to close a circuit?
ENSIGN: Yes, ma'am.
SHAW: Was the charge in that instance based upon a log entry by the officer who relieved him?
ENSIGN: Yes, ma'am.
SHAW: And who was that officer?
ENSIGN: Ensign James T. Kirk.

The only other wrinkle, which can also be easily dispatched without need of convoluted "cadet becomes ensign, lieutenant, and instructor, all in first year" contortions, is that in "Obsession" (TOS) Kirk says Captain Garrovick—there of the Farragut—was his commanding officer "from the day [he] left the Academy." There is no reason whatsoever why Garrovick could not have previously been captain of the Republic as well, with Kirk following him to the Farragut just as Mitchell followed Kirk from his first command to the Enterprise. Again, symmetry.

SPOCK: Precisely. Have you studied the incident involving the U.S.S. Farragut?
MCCOY: No. With all these deaths and injuries, I've only had a chance to scan the tapes. There are eight or ten hours of record tapes there.
SPOCK: Fortunately, I read somewhat faster. In brief, Doctor, nearly half the crew and the captain were annihilated. The captain's name was Garrovick.
MCCOY: The same as our ensign.
SPOCK: His father. Among the survivors was a young officer on his first deep space assignment, James T. Kirk.

[...]

MCCOY: I was speaking of Lieutenant James T. Kirk of the Starship Farragut. Eleven years ago, you were the young officer at the phaser station when something attacked. According to the tapes, this young Lieutenant Kirk insisted upon blaming himself.
KIRK: Because I delayed in firing at it.
MCCOY: You had a normal emotion. You were startled. You delayed firing for a grand total of perhaps two seconds.
KIRK: If I hadn't delayed, it would have been killed.
MCCOY: The ship's exec didn't seem to think so. His log entry was quite clear on the subject: "Lieutenant Kirk is a fine young officer who performed with uncommon bravery."
KIRK: Don't you understand? It killed two hundred crewmen.
MCCOY: Captain Garrovick was very important to you, wasn't he, Jim?
KIRK: Yes. He was my commanding officer from the day I left the Academy. One of the finest men I ever knew. I could have killed that thing if I'd fired soon enough the first time.

The Farragut was Kirk's "first deep space assignment," which fits with the references in "A Private Little War" (TOS) to Kirk having been a lieutenant when he commanded his first planetary survey on Neural:

SPOCK: Aside from that, you say it's a Garden of Eden?
KIRK: Or so it seemed to the brash young Lieutenant Kirk in command of his first planet survey.

[...]

MCCOY: Want to think about it again, Jim? Starfleet's orders about this planet state: "No interference with..."
KIRK: "No interference with normal social development." I'm not only aware of it, it was my survey thirteen years ago that recommended it.
MCCOY: I read it. "Inhabitants superior in many ways to humans. Left alone, they undoubtedly someday will develop a remarkably advanced and peaceful culture..."

All this means is the Republic must have been one closer to home, and could even still have been a training ship then, as she much later seems to be in "Valiant" (DS9), if we like, but all without any need of Ensign Kirk still being a cadet himself when he served aboard her. Any cadets aboard her would still be overseen by officers, like Kirk and Finney:

COLLINS: The training cruise was supposed to last three months. We had seven regular officers and a crew of thirty-five cadets. The plan was for the cadets to run the ship while the officers observed and critiqued our performance.
JAKE: So...this was a training ship? Like the other one...the Republic?
COLLINS: Not quite. The Republic's an old ship, I don't think she's left the Terran system in fifty years.

And accordingly, she can—if desired—still be the ship aboard which Kirk visited Axanar, either earlier as a newly-enrolled cadet or as a newly-graduated ensign, depending on how we interpret the expression "new-fledged" in "Whom Gods Destroy" (TOS), and how long before or after Garth's victory there we wish to place the Peace Mission that results in Kirk receiving the Palm Leaf decoration mentioned in "Court Martial" (TOS)—something that could readily be a big deal or not; for all we know, his entire class went for a field trip and all received one, just for participation!

"CORY": Garth. Garth of Izar, the former starship fleet captain.
KIRK: When I was a cadet at the Academy, his exploits were required reading. He was one of my heroes. I'd like to see him, Donald.

[...]

KIRK: I studied your victory at Axanar when I was a cadet. In fact, it's still required reading at the Academy.
GARTH: As well it should be.
KIRK: Very well. But my first visit to Axanar was as a new-fledged cadet on a peace mission.
GARTH: Peace mission! Politicians and weaklings!
KIRK: They were humanitarians and statesmen, and they had a dream. A dream that became a reality and spread throughout the stars, a dream that made Mister Spock and me brothers.

Now, let's put all of this together with the 2265-2270 timeframe established in "Q2" (VGR) and Kirk's birth year of 2233 as given by the Defiant's historical database screen in "In A Mirror, Darkly" (ENT)—although that has a couple other bits that are somewhat questionable—and as also suggested by Star Trek (2009)—though there was some indication there that Kelvin Kirk may have been born slightly prematurely. (If so, Kirk Prime could still have been born on Earth, in that small Iowa town, as suggested by The Making of Star Trek, although this isn't strictly a requisite because onscreen he only ever said he was "from" there in STIV, not that it was his physical birthplace per se.)

2233:
Kirk is born.

c2246:
Kirk is one of (initially) nine surviving eye witnesses to Kodos the Executioner's purge on Tarsus IV. This was "twenty Earth years" prior to "The Conscience of the King" (TOS), as given by the computer. This would obviously be rounded somewhat (as it does not go down to a count of months/days/seconds/etc) but not quite so malleable as a human's casual figure might be. Yet the year like many others is still not 100% firm because the exact progression and dating of individual TOS episodes is a bit ambiguous from just the episodes themselves, which were shown out of order to begin with.

c2250-51:
Kirk meets Gary Mitchell for the first time, in an unspecified context ("Where No Man Has Gone Before" [TOS]). Around the same time, the father of Mallory from "The Apple" (TOS) aids Kirk's entry into Starfleet Academy, where over the course of his first year he is hazed and bullied by Finnegan and romances Ruth ("Shore Leave" [TOS]). His instructors include Ben Finney ("Court Martial" [TOS]), with whom he becomes close friends, and historian John Gill ("Patterns of Force" [TOS]), although the latter need not have been this first year. (The Axanar Peace Mission should go somewhere in here too, if we interpret "new-fledged cadet" in "Whom Gods Destroy" [TOS] to mean one who has recently enrolled.)

c2254:
Kirk graduates as an ensign and is assigned to the Republic, along with his former instructor Ben Finney ("Court Martial [TOS]), under command of Captain Garrovick ("Obsession" [TOS]). (If we choose to interpret "new-fledged cadet" in "Whom Gods Destroy" [TOS] to mean one who has recently graduated, the Axanar Peace Mission could go here instead.)

c2255:
Having been (or just about to be) promoted to lieutenant, Kirk transfers to the Farragut along with Garrovick. This is his first sustained deep space assignment ("Obsession" [TOS]). He conducts his first planetary survey of Neural and befriends Tyree ("A Private Little War" [TOS]).

c2257:
The Farragut is attacked by the dikironium cloud creature, resulting in the deaths of Captain Garrovick and half the crew ("Obsession" [TOS]). Bereaved and feeling himself to have failed in his duties, Lieutenant Kirk becomes emotionally withdrawn and returns to Earth, taking up a teaching position at the Academy, where Gary Mitchell is his student, having just enrolled ("Where No Man Has Gone Before" [TOS]).

(It is not made clear how long Kirk remains at the Academy as an instructor. Eventually, he takes command of a destroyer or equivalent vessel, as per The Making of Star Trek. This could be before or after Mitchell graduates. If Mitchell was 17 when he entered as well, this would suggest that he was born circa 2240, which would mean the incident on Deneb IV took place circa 2263, and could have been aboard either that ship or the Enterprise. The Dimorus incident is undated, so likewise.)

c2261:
Gary Mitchell graduates and Kirk asks for him aboard his first command ("Where No Man Has Gone Before" [TOS]).

c2263:
Kirk takes command of the Enterprise from Christopher Pike when the latter is promoted to fleet captain ("The Menagerie" [TOS]). Gary Mitchell transfers with him ("Where No Man Has Gone Before" [TOS]).

2265-2270:
The five year mission as depicted in TOS and TAS ("Q2" [VGR]).

Simples!

One thing that's not clear is whether Kirk knew Merik from "Bread and Circuses" (TOS) as a classmate or as a student. Merik "was dropped in his fifth year," which might be taken to call into question the four-year duration of standard Academy training, but the usual assumption is that he was held back.

Anyway, fortunately, it turns out that the Okudas' dates for Kirk's Academy years as an overall period (and that for his assuming command of the Enterprise too) don't really have to be altered, though their dates for the 5YM do a bit. It's just that what they posit happened during those years is all sorts of jumbled up. I didn't mean to be too harsh on them, but from what I can see, the nonsensical choices they made with respect to the Mitchell and Republic references in particular are far more inconsistent and contradictory than the original reference points themselves, despite protestations otherwise.

-MMoM:D
 
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Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum review
The eighth episode of the series, continuing the storyline of the war against the Klingons. The opening, where Discovery tries to save the Gagarin, was done very well. The bridge crew clearly try their best to stop the Bird of preys from taking out the Gagarin. It is quite obviously the cloaking devices that give the Klingons the advantage here. Lorca's tactic of placing the Discovery in harms way to protect the other ship was a good idea (and one that we have seen the other captains we have seen use).
Too bad it doesn't work and the Gagarin is destroyed. (Lorca then asks Airiam to take the conn. Is she the third in command?) However, there is the other storyline, with Saru, Burnham and Tyler on Pahvo. An actual planet based mission with a mysterious subspace transmitter to investigate? It is a change from the ship focused episodes preceding it, and it's reflective of the various planetary exploration episodes of the previous series (particularly the Original and Animated Series, but parts of Voyager and Enterprise also).
The nature of the planet and it's inhabitants are also well established, as is the effect it has on Saru (more on this below). But before that, the discussion lead by Burnham about the creatures and their nature was done rather well. Back on Discovery, Tilly is wondering, what is up with Staments, why did he call her 'Captain' earlier? It is obvious that being the navigator for the Spore Drive is having some kind of effect on him. (And also that he doesn't want to Culbur in a very difficult position, but enough about that).
Cornwell is on the Klingon Ship of the Dead. L'Rell is there also. The latter tries to help the former to escape. (Did she really want to defect to the Federation, or is it one of House Moquai's schemes? Probably the latter.) Still these scenes were done rather well. Then Kol catches her in the act and Cornwell is electrocuted. Quite a... shocking scene. But what is more shoking to L'Rell is that she finds former friends dead. Also quite effectively acted. But back to Saru, the aliens do something to him, taking away his fear.
Burnham then has to get to the transmitter, leaving Tyler behind to delay Saru. These scenes are also quite well done. (Showing Saru running at speed.) The Discovery responding to the distress call, and rescuing the landing party (I'm sure the term 'Away Team' wasn't said, was good, as well as Lorca's incredulosity at the Aliens signalling the Klingons so as to try to bring about peace. 9/10.
 
And the idea of Captain Sylvia Tilly is too much to bear.

That's actually an easy one from what we've seen on other universes in Star Trek.

The antimatter universe, as seen in TAS (the episode where we are introduced to Robert April, former captain of the USS Enterprise). In that universe, time ran in reverse. People aged in reverse. The younger you were the "older" you were. At 21 years old, Tilly (Captain) is pretty much the oldest member of the crew and most experienced having spend her arthritic youth getting to know how a starship works and now getting to an age when anti-puberty is about to hit and she'll get smaller and eventually die in womb of her daughter. She'll only be Captain for another decade at the most, so she's being daring in the time she has left before she has to retire.
 
You know what I can see? DSC coming out with version of Cadet Kirk which totally disregards anything previously established about the character in this timeframe.
 
I say we get a full episode with "Cadet Kirk"...But at the end, we find out that it's been Sam Kirk (his brother form the flying jellyfish episode) the whole time, just like that time in Smallville.
 
He only got the first officer job cos Mitchell copped it.
I somehow neglected to address this one in previous replies. (Probably a joke, in context, but I've heard it claimed seriously too many times.) Not so. Spock is clearly the first officer already from the very first scene of "Where No Man Has Gone Before" (TOS) when he's playing chess with Kirk.
 
Well, yes, the gold command shirt and all. But he then gets demoted when Kirk bests Mitchell by a landslide: he next refers to himself as the second officer of the ship.

It's in his epitaph, even.
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(Or should we take that as indicating that "Second Officer, USS Enterprise" is the lowest position he ever held in his career? Born to the purple and all - his is one of the topmost ranks on Pike's ship.)

Timo Saloniemi
 
You must have missed my joke in the other thread. He only calls himself the second officer in "The Enemy Within" (TOS) because there are, at that moment, two Kirks! :p

(In reality, the writer merely confused and conflated the terms "First Officer" and "Second in Command" there, in that one instance.)

That screen in Beyond is very confusing. The resume given is neither complete nor in correct chronological order, with respect to either the Prime or Kelvin timelines. Spock Prime was second officer of the Enterprise, under Pike and his Number One, before he was next seen as Kirk's first in WNMHGB (which post-dates the "current" date of his death in the KT as listed). But then he was captain of the Enterprise in TWOK before he was anything on the Enterprise-A. Then he was Federation Special Envoy in STVI, and only later a full Ambassador as in TNG.

-MMoM:D
 
Well, yes, the gold command shirt and all. But he then gets demoted when Kirk bests Mitchell by a landslide: he next refers to himself as the second officer of the ship.

It's in his epitaph, even.
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(Or should we take that as indicating that "Second Officer, USS Enterprise" is the lowest position he ever held in his career? Born to the purple and all - his is one of the topmost ranks on Pike's ship.)

Timo Saloniemi
He was Second Officer under Captain Pike on the 1701
He was First Officer under Kirk on the 1701
^^^
Remember this is Spock from the 'Prime' Universe.
 
You must have missed my joke in the other thread. He only calls himself the second officer in "The Enemy Within" (TOS) because there are, at that moment, two Kirks! :p

Impeccably logical. :vulcan:

(In reality, the writer merely confused and conflated the terms "First Officer" and "Second in Command" there, in that one instance.)

And a couple of others, but unfortunately not enough that we could simply say "Starfleet does it differently and more logically, and CO=First Officer, XO=Second Officer". Although we could say Vulcans do it that way, and Spock is feeling particularly confused when for a rare once he gets to lead the starship while Kirk is having a wussiness attack.

On the other hand, Second Officer = "second in command" in TNG "The Battle"...

That screen in Beyond is very confusing. The resume given is neither complete nor in correct chronological order, with respect to either the Prime or Kelvin timelines.

Might be an expandable thing: click Ambassador to see his diplomatic career, click Second Officer to see his first Starfleet career (before kolinahr), click Executive Officer to see his second Starfleet career (after kolinahr). Find out that the position listed isn't the highest but the last, with Commander S'Prise briefly being Spock's superior and the ship's XO in 2270 (one of the reasons he left in a huff)...

Timo Saloniemi
 
Spock was also the captain of the Enterprise from roughly 2278 until the Genesis Device incident of 2285 and the events immediately preceding his first death. I know the Enterprise was relegated to a glorified training vessel within Earth's solar system following Kirk's second five-year mission but Captain of the Enterprise is still Captain of the Enterprise.
 
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