He would have to be demoted to have been CMO on Discovery, then serve under McCoy on Enterprise. I thought McCoy only screwed over Chappel's career?
I figure the CMO just plays a lot of golf on the non-holodeck.
Where is Discovery's CMO?
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I figure the CMO just plays a lot of golf on the non-holodeck.
There's a graphic that shows him as Chief Engineer.
last I was told, ted Sullivan said that was a production error.
And, no matter how much we say first credited or lead, no matter how much we say this was intended or this or that, it simply didn't bear out in execution,
From what I remember this is true in most of TNG and I can promise you it's true in DS9 and VOY, I don't care who was "first credited", what we see is what's executed, IMO it just wasn't executed that way.
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you can search ted Sullivan's twitter but he says "I'd say he is the chief engineer of the spore drive, but not of engineering"
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Characters that appear to be "Chiefs" are:
Stamets (not sure if he's the chief of all Engineering, but he is certainly Chief Engineer on the DASH drive...and the Chief Navigator for that system).
Landry (dead now...but was Security Chief)
Tyler (Security Chief)
Saru (Chief Science Officer and XO)
Stamets (not sure if he's the chief of all Engineering, but he is certainly Chief Engineer on the DASH drive...and the Chief Navigator for that system).
Landry (dead now...but was Security Chief)
Tyler (Security Chief)
Saru (Chief Science Officer and XO)
https://trekmovie.com/2017/10/15/ex...s-mellow-outs-and-how-he-isnt-the-new-soctty/
"So far we have seen Lt. Stamets in the the engine room of the USS Discovery, but Rapp made it clear that the character is not filling the role of chief engineer on this show, and he is all about the science, saying:"
I'm still trying to reconfirm Sullivan stating this was a production error as well.
Then there's that old thing about Helm and Ops always being the same two people - does that make them Chiefs of their departments? I mean, we need an in-universe excuse for them always being the same, and either it's "Lorca only has one of each" or "these are the top people". And the former automatically becomes "they are Chiefs" if Helm and Ops are departments. 
At least Tactical sees some variety, as is to be expected on this science vessel. Perhaps there's no department for firing the guns? Thankfully, Chief of Security rather seldom has to do that job.
Timo Saloniemi
At least Tactical sees some variety, as is to be expected on this science vessel. Perhaps there's no department for firing the guns? Thankfully, Chief of Security rather seldom has to do that job.
Timo Saloniemi
Then there's that old thing about Helm and Ops always being the same two people - does that make them Chiefs of their departments? I mean, we need an in-universe excuse for them always being the same, and either it's "Lorca only has one of each" or "these are the top people". And the former automatically becomes "they are Chiefs" if Helm and Ops are departments.
At least Tactical sees some variety, as is to be expected on this science vessel. Perhaps there's no department for firing the guns? Thankfully, Chief of Security rather seldom has to do that job.
Timo Saloniemi
Helm and Ops seem to be pretty transactional positions. Sure, the two characters seen there now may be department heads...but those roles are really not that important to the command and leadership structure of the ship.
I always looked at Helm and Nav on TOS as basically just "these are the first shift guys who fly the ship." I think Chekov was different because he was a young high-potential that both Kirk and Spock were mentoring and Sulu had multiple skills besides just piloting the ship. The rotating Navigators earlier in the series sort of back this idea up. But otherwise, these are not critical leadership roles on the starship.
But the question is an in-universe one. If they aren't leadership roles, why are the two people always the same? Folks merely performing a menial job should be interchangeable, yet these two don't change. And they do hold rank.
It's also a formal question. These people ought to be Chiefs regardless of their functional or dramatic worth. Perhaps Chief Engineer is an insignificant position aboard a science ship where nothing ever breaks down as no combat damage or equipment abuse ever occurs, but he, she or it is still the Chief Engineer.
Timo Saloniemi
It's also a formal question. These people ought to be Chiefs regardless of their functional or dramatic worth. Perhaps Chief Engineer is an insignificant position aboard a science ship where nothing ever breaks down as no combat damage or equipment abuse ever occurs, but he, she or it is still the Chief Engineer.
Timo Saloniemi
He hasn't been mentioned in the show. We have heard of Dr. Nambue who was the Dr aboard Shenzhou. Many crewmember from that ship came to Discovery, so maybe he did too.
They should make Culber CMO. There is no need for another Dr character.
I always consider most of the time in which the show takes place is in the normal "middle of the day" period, and the overnight shifts and such are usually not seen. They may not be "chiefs," so to speak, but they could be the top or one of the top people at those positions, and normally are scheduled to be on the bridge during those certain periods of the day.Then there's that old thing about Helm and Ops always being the same two people - does that make them Chiefs of their departments? I mean, we need an in-universe excuse for them always being the same, and either it's "Lorca only has one of each" or "these are the top people". And the former automatically becomes "they are Chiefs" if Helm and Ops are departments.
At least Tactical sees some variety, as is to be expected on this science vessel. Perhaps there's no department for firing the guns? Thankfully, Chief of Security rather seldom has to do that job.
Timo Saloniemi
But I don't know how realistic this is compared to real life situations.
The thing is, episodes may feature either shifts or alerts. Many Trek episodes begin with an alert or other state of readiness, allowing the CO to summon his "A-Team" to replace the current shift. But if an alert develops during the adventure, we would expect to see the personnel swap (we often did in TNG) if such did take place.
In DSC, the ship rarely gets caught by surprise: adventures start out with a Black Alert often enough. So Detmer and Owosekun could be Lorca's "A-Team" rather than random people sharing a shift.
Why multiple doctors? Ships with 100-150 people aboard today may sail out without a single MD. It's not as if these folks would be needing much in the way of medication (if they're too sick to serve, they get fired), and when casualties start coming in, no number of doctors will suffice anyway.
Timo Saloniemi
In DSC, the ship rarely gets caught by surprise: adventures start out with a Black Alert often enough. So Detmer and Owosekun could be Lorca's "A-Team" rather than random people sharing a shift.
Why multiple doctors? Ships with 100-150 people aboard today may sail out without a single MD. It's not as if these folks would be needing much in the way of medication (if they're too sick to serve, they get fired), and when casualties start coming in, no number of doctors will suffice anyway.
Timo Saloniemi
Well, Culber may just be assigned as the 'attending physician' because he was the only medical officer first dealing with the Tradigrade and then after Staments started making the Drive work. I don't mind that we're not seeing the CMO much or that he's automatically the one doing everything with one nurse and a staff of invisible other doctors. YMMV
It's like Dr. Mbenga from TOS - he was ALWAYS on the ship (and I believe made one or two more appearances after being Spock's attending physician for Spock's musket ball wound in TOS - "A Private Little War". IE - Yeah, the character was there even though we never saw him much.
Or Dr. Selar on TNG. She was rarely seen, but was still on-board for most (all?) of TNGs run.Well, Culber may just be assigned as the 'attending physician' because he was the only medical officer first dealing with the Tradigrade and then after Staments started making the Drive work. I don't mind that we're not seeing the CMO much or that he's automatically the one doing everything with one nurse and a staff of invisible other doctors. YMMV
It's like Dr. Mbenga from TOS - he was ALWAYS on the ship (and I believe made one or two more appearances after being Spock's attending physician for Spock's musket ball wound in TOS - "A Private Little War". IE - Yeah, the character was there even though we never saw him much.
Medical ethics of the future will be different. Doctors are more and more becoming somebody who provides a service, and less and less somebody with authority or with some kind of sacred trust.
Kor
I'm not sure I agree, but even if a doctor merely provides a service, doing so to family and close friends is still ethically problematic because doctors need to be able to make impartial medical decisions in the interests of the patient without being influenced by what they want. Plus the patient may not be honest with them because they have a vested interest in their good opinion. You aren't going to give your husband the best treatment they could get because you're not objective.
It's on screen and has not yet been contradicted on screen, it's canon. If Picard saying Starfleet isn't military is enough for people to declare Starfleet non-military, then a computer graphic saying Stamets is Discovery's chief engineer is engineer is enough to declare he is the chief engineer.
In what way is Picard not TNG's lead, or Sisko not DS9's or Janeway not Voyager's? The shows may have an ensemble cast but the captains were very much the centre of their shows. TNG might have started with the intent of Picard and Riker being "co-leads" but Patrick Stewart eventually established dominance and became the sole leading man of the show. Sisko is very much the main character of DS9 and to suggest otherwise shows a very serious misunderstanding of the show and or the character. The series is built around him, he's the commander of the station, religious icon to the Bajorans and later war hero and key strategist responsible for defeating the Dominion. Voyager, I grant you, probably got closer to TNG's "co-lead" thing between Janeway and Seven of Nine, with the Doctor arguably coming close to the second tier, but I do not see sufficient evidence to declare Janeway isn't the lead.
Out of curiosity who do you feel are the leads of these shows if not their captains?
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