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When Do You Want To See Burnham Become The STD Captain?

I don't think Burnham will get to command any Starfleet ship. Even if you get released from a life sentence, i don't think that the head Honchos of Starfleet will give her a ship to command in the future. Burham was accused and found guilty of Mutiny and she was sentenced. Mutiny is a very serious offense in any military. Even if you get pardoned, usually such people will leave the military organization after a while. The whole affair normally leaves a bad taste in everybody's mouth.
 
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Kirk stole Enterprise from Spacedock, and broke the Excelsior over his knee.

Sure he was "demoted" to Captain, but if not for the Probe ripping into Earth, Kirk would have been demoted to convict.
 
And yet.. (and this is kind of repetitive now, lol) a life sentence for ..mutiny. That little ole thing called *mutiny* is for some strange reason, not something that wins friends and influences people.
 
Uh, no. Bergdahl was convicted of desertion. There's no evidence he attempted to join the Taliban. Otherwise, he'd be doing serious time. Bergdahl's offenses were minor enough to avoid any prison time while the "enlightened" Federation felt Burnham's crimes were severe enough to warrant life imprisonment.


Chakotay's rank was provisional and it's unclear whether or not Janeway had the authority to permanently reinstate Paris's rank. In any case, there's no canon evidence that either retained their Starfleet commissions after Voyager returned to the Alpha Quadrant. And even if they did remain in Starfleet, I doubt either would be in line for starship command after their perfidious association with the Maquis.

Also, Paris was serving an eighteen month sentence for treason. Clearly his transgression was deemed far less severe than Burnham's. You don't sentence someone to life in prison, then turn around a year or two later and give them a starship command.

Burnham was given the maximum possible sentence under Federation law for her crimes: life in prison. No other "hero" character in Star Trek has ever committed crimes of this magnitude. Not Kirk in STIII, not Spock in "The Menagerie", not the Maquis rebels. Without a huge reset button, there's no plausible way for Burnham to be trusted with command in Starfleet. It would violate everything we know about the Star Trek universe and make a mockery of the chain of command.

No, lots of other heroes in Star Trek have committed crimes of this magnitude. Burnham is just the only one who had the book thrown at her, seemingly for political reasons, and possibly in part also because Georgiou's death meant she didn't have anyone trying to protect her. What Burnham did was no worse than the *two* different times Spock illegally diverted the Enterprise for his own personal reasons, or the time Kirk and all his friends *stole* an entire starship for their own personal reasons, the time when McCoy drugged Spock so he could follow his own choice instead of Spock's orders (which is really exactly the same thing Burnham did), the time Nog joined a foreign mercernary group and was complicit in the death of a pow and in blatantly violating a flag of truce, the time Wesley tried to coverup the death of another cadet, or the many, many different times when various different officers blatantly ignored their legal orders just because they thought they knew better.
 
No, lots of other heroes in Star Trek have committed crimes of this magnitude. Burnham is just the only one who had the book thrown at her, seemingly for political reasons, and possibly in part also because Georgiou's death meant she didn't have anyone trying to protect her. What Burnham did was no worse than the *two* different times Spock illegally diverted the Enterprise for his own personal reasons, or the time Kirk and all his friends *stole* an entire starship for their own personal reasons, the time when McCoy drugged Spock so he could follow his own choice instead of Spock's orders (which is really exactly the same thing Burnham did), the time Nog joined a foreign mercernary group and was complicit in the death of a pow and in blatantly violating a flag of truce, the time Wesley tried to coverup the death of another cadet, or the many, many different times when various different officers blatantly ignored their legal orders just because they thought they knew better.

This.

Other examples include Captain Sisko's actions in 'For the Uniform' and 'In the pale moonlight'. Worf opening fire on a target without verifying, Worf abandoning a mission critical to the security of the federation to save Jadzia. The Doctor's actions in 'Flesh and Blood'. All of which are either similar to or worse than what Burnham did, and these incidents generally ended with a slap on the wrist or no consequences at all.
 
Outright mutiny is taken very seriously IRL, to the point that it's one of the offenses in the UCMJ that can carry a death sentence, even when not in a state of war.
{Article 94, section B)A person who is found guilty of attempted mutiny, mutiny, sedition, or failure to suppress or report a mutiny or sedition shall be punished by death or such other punishment as a court-martial may direct.
Burnham is lucky she lives in a more "enlightened" society.
 
As I understand it, Burnham isn't even guilty of mutiny under the UCMJ. That would require her to be working in concert with someone, but she acted entirely on her own. Interestingly, the UCMJ does have some choice words against those who fail to report mutiny, as well, which, if a single rogue officer can be called a 'mutineer', has some rather amusing implications for all those other times when starfleet officers got off scott free presumably because their COs never filed charges.
 
Burnham was sentenced, a life sentence. Mutiny. How come that is so hard to accept? It is part of the story line.
 
It's not hard to accept. What's hard to accept is the bs claim that she cannot possibly ever have a future in starfleet again because the ucmj would sentence her to death.
 
She was sentenced to a life sentence as per the story and as of the last episode thinks after the war will return to prison.
 
She was sentenced to a life sentence as per the story and as of the last episode thinks after the war will return to prison.

As per the story in Amok Time Kirk was 'dead' and Spock believed his starfleet career to be over. As per Statistical Probabilities, the Federation had no hope of winning the Dominion War even if the Dominion met unlikely setbacks. As per Tng (dont recall the exact episode), Worf was cast out of Klingon society with no house and no honor.

The story is not set in stone.
 
Quite frankly, the person that his hardest on Michael Burnham in these stories is Michael Burnham. If Georgiou hadn't died on the Klingon ship, I am fairly certain Burnham would have attempted to muster a defense for her actions and it is quite possible the charges would have been dropped. But instead she plead guilty to all charges without putting up a single defense because she had an emotional response to failing her captain. She even added more charges to herself for things she didn't do in her testimony. Her actions were an attempt to keep her captain and crew alive. Her action accomplished absolutely nothing because anything she attempted to do was stopped within less than five minutes. Aside from knocking her captain out with a neck pinch, nothing else she did accomplished anything since all her attempted orders were countermanded by her captain.

But no. Michael Burnham has taken the blame for the war, all the deaths, her captain's death, everything on herself and she believes she deserves her life sentence because she failed her captain, she failed Sarek, she failed Starfleet. All things she did not do by any of her own actions or inactions.
 
As per the story in Amok Time Kirk was 'dead' and Spock believed his starfleet career to be over. As per Statistical Probabilities, the Federation had no hope of winning the Dominion War even if the Dominion met unlikely setbacks. As per Tng (dont recall the exact episode), Worf was cast out of Klingon society with no house and no honor.

The story is not set in stone.
Of course it's not. If the writers want to write a load of fanwank nonsense they will. If they want Burnham to be an Admiral they will.
 
Of course it's not. If the writers want to write a load of fanwank nonsense they will. If they want Burnham to be an Admiral they will.

Obviously, so why the repeated attempt to claim that people shouldn't believe Burnham can have a future in Starfleet just because Burnham (and maybe some other people in the story, but we don't actually know that) currently thinks so?
 
Aside from knocking her captain out with a neck pinch, nothing else she did accomplished anything since all her attempted orders were countermanded by her captain.
That's like saying apart from deliberately killing someone it's not actually murder. Michael disabled her Captain, took over command and tried to fire first. That IS mutiny. She was sentenced to a life sentence and feeling remorse or not isn't relevant.
 
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That's like saying apart from deliberately killing someone it's not actually murder. Michael disabled her Captain, took over command and tried to fire first. That IS mutiny. She was sentenced to a life sentence and feeling remorse or not isn't relevant.

Correct. She disabled her captain, who was not acting in the best interesting of the Federation, and took command in an attempt to save the Federation from the Klingon Empire. Her only failing was that she was stopped before she could fire, giving the correct diplomatic gesture to the Klingon Empire. Her captain failed the Federation by not knowing the correct diplomatic procedures and thus started a war.

This sounds like something that happened before in Star Trek, but whoever did what Burnham tried to do was successful and patted on the back for saving the ship or planet, after a small lecture about doing that to a superior officer.
 
Who says Burnham is going to be made Captain anyway? She hasn't even gotten a rank. Even if Lorca doesn't make it through the season Saru is next in line.
 
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